Swami Nirmalanda Giri - aka Abbot George Burke

[Loup Solitaire]

Spiritual enlightenment needs to be a continual process, as is reincarnation. As I have struggled to comprehend the thoughts and philosophy of Dr. Dahesh, I have looked throughout the Internet World for reflections of the wisdom with which he was endowed. I do not find something every time I search. Sometimes, no matter how diligently I try, my net comes up empty. Today, when I cast my net, I pulled in something that resonated sharply. It resonated because not only did I find a reflection of some of his philosophical perspective, but I found stories that reflected Dr Dahesh's aura in postings I have read on Daheshville. But then maybe my judgement is slipping. I provide this link for others to make their own judgement. Under the heading of spiritual writings, and more specifically "Christianity", Swami Nirmalanda Giri, aka Abbott George Burke has compiled some articles about Christ, reincarnation, human makeup, diet, meditation, etc. Clearly these writings reflect an Eastern Perspective.

http://www.atmajyoti.org/spirwrit-christianity.asp

[Mario]

Thank you for posting this.

I skimmed some parts. But then I noticed that his main premise — the platform upon which he built his argument about the compatibility between the theory (as Doctor Dahesh refers to it) of reincarnation and Christianity — is flawed. At least, and not unless I am utterly wrong, from a Daheshist perspective.

I have a problem with the idea of Jesus Christ traveling to India in order to learn wisdom, and I quote:

"After some years, having proven that the Essene teachers had nothing they could teach him, the young Jesus travelled to India and lived with those Masters. When his age had more than doubled, he returned to Israel to teach the wisdom he had gained both inwardly and outwardly."

It's a very clever tactic. In other words, you establish the idea that there are sages (a.k.a. "Wise Men") in India who "discovered that a Great Soul was about to be born in what for them was the West–in the land of Israel."

Then you have these sages travel the land of Israel where "they found the Child Jesus and paid him homage" and then return to India after "establishing ties of communication with him."

Listen, for all I know (and kindly hold that thought), this swami read what Doctor Dahesh wrote as early as 1979 (if I am not mistaken) and which I presented here (please see the introduction that Doctor Dahesh wrote to "Strange Tales and Wondrous Legends") and proceeded to build his own "theory" upon it.

Here is a novel idea: Perhaps the reason you don't see enough that jibes with what Doctor Dahesh wrote is that not enough people have caught up with his work — yet.

Remember when the Internet first became "public?" Back in 1995, you were lucky to find a couple of books on HTML coding. Then, the industry took off.

I am willing to bet that, in the hands of an industrious fellow, the Daheshist revelations will be totally repackaged and re-branded.

Who can name a couple of Blues pioneers that used to pick cotton?

I know, that's an offbeat example. But the premise is the same: you have an honest thing that is stolen and commercialized.

The problem is that (and assuming I am correct in my assumption that maybe someone studied what Doctor Dahesh wrote back when) this time, this involves a TRUE DIVINE MESSAGE.

Last I checked, The Lord is credited with having said something along the lines of "Vengeance is mine."

And even if I am not correct in my assumption and that the premise of Christ spending time in India, learning from the Sages was a total (creative) fabrication... we still have the issue that the truth about Jesus Christ is being distorted, in order to dilute the bitter taste that a notion such as "Reincarnation" might potentially leave in a Christian's mouth.

Wouldn't that be akin to pandering?

And let's really get a couple of things out the way:

1) Doctor Dahesh did not meditate — in the traditional meaning of the word. I mean, sure, he reflected, engaged in thought... as any normal human being would be expected to do. But he did not (for example) engage in mental exercise (as concentration on his breathing or repetition of a mantra) for the purpose of reaching a heightened level of spiritual awareness...

I am not saying that mediation is not valid. I am only saying that he did not — for the length of time I stayed with him, alone, and that was plenty of time — meditate.

And for all I know, meditation may work for one person while in the case of another, it would be totally ill-advised. The same goes for things such as acupuncture. In my case, it worked — amazingly so, in fact. Then again, and as luck would have it, my first boss saw the same acupuncturist and for the same reason I did, and ... nothing.

2) Doctor Dahesh was not a philosopher. Men are philosophers. Prophets are not. Doctor Dahesh always spoke in terms of his own unequivocal "beliefs." Sure, on occasion, and on purpose, he would plant a seed... in the form of a rhetorical question. But that was part of his teaching method.

But back to the matter at hand, this all boils down to — in the end — to our individual set of circumstances and, ultimately, ... merit.

I evidently merited a vastly more positive outcome than his in that regard. On the other hand, his great uncle was Frank Lloyd Right and he attended Harvard... and he was my boss (incidentally, a wonderful man).

In any case, why was I supposed to work for him?

Reincarnation.

If we need some sort of "proof" we can accept, then the Holy Books are our best bets. Both the Koran and Bible (arguably) allude to the subject.

And I totally relate to what you are saying...

I have looked throughout the Internet World for reflections of the wisdom with which he was endowed. I do not find something every time I search. Sometimes, no matter how diligently I try, my net comes up empty.

What do we expect would happen when those who are supposed to speak remain silent?

Doctor Dahesh introduced his book series in which he tells stories involving reincarnation and lives on other planets prior to 1980...

That's a lot of cotton pickin' time!

[Loup Solitaire]

Thanks for your thoughtful response

In regard to one view of reincarnation versus another, George Burke is a slippery devil. Most of the information presented is made of views of various philosophers, theologians, biblical quotes, etc. Although, it appears that George believes in reincarnation, it is unclear who he would confirm as correct. He has presented various perspectives. And, "no man shall know the mind of God", thus, George Burke doesn't either. So as I read this, I interpreted it loosely. But it is interesting to me that so many diverse individuals grasped various aspects of the same concepts presented by Dr Dahesh. One being accountability for past lives and the need to experience the suffering in future lives that one has inflicted upon others in past lives. In one passage under the heading Reincarnation Means Responsibility , it is written "Retribution must be in the form of experiencing exactly what we have done to others". In several of Dr Dahesh, he clearly infers that in the next life or subsequent lives, the individual will suffer as he has caused others to suffer.

In regard to an Indian influence on Christ, I could only say, that Dr Dahesh at least read of the wisdom of the Indian culture. But I have read on Daheshville, that one Daheshist claimed his father related a belief that Christ had travelled to India after his resurrection and supposedly died and was buried there. Where he obtained that belief, I do not know.

In regard to meditation, is not prayer a form of meditation? Especially if it is written, memorized and repeated over and over. For me meditation comes often when I rise from my desk at work, walk out the front door and walk for ten minutes. While walking I contemplate all sorts of things. I indulge in pure thought without distraction. I breathe deeply and relax. I return to my desk refreshed and ready for whatever task is in front of me. Dr Dahesh I am certain was incredibly focused, not necessarily tense. Obviously, he gave significant, but not necessarily extensive thought to everything he did. A person with a perfect mind may not appear to meditate. If he didn't advocate meditation, I would guess it was not high on his priority list. But there are some people are too engrossed in their activities not giving sufficient time for relaxed, clear thought. They, most likely, would benefit from meditation.

I don't think I labeled Dr Dahesh as a philosopher. However, he did have a philosophy based upon what he knew or simply believed. And it appears that his beliefs were strong. I don't question anything stated regarding Dr Dahesh. But in reading the information presented, I would only say this. There is an ancient proverb that a picture is like a thousand words. And it may take 10,000 words to create a picture. One may need to read something over several times to extract a complete meanings. Words are often imprecise or may have multiple meanings and connotations.

Dr Dahesh was a collector. He collected art, books, and I think souls. He collected souls by bringing people to himself. He collected souls by influencing these people as he thought influence was necessary. I suspect that he had and continues to have a unique relationship with each individual he encountered. He was obviously caring, kind, compassionate and strong.

George Burke is but a single person, who has been influenced by significant forces. He is not a prophet. He is a priest and as such is capable of fault. But he has been profoundly affected by the wisdom that he has absorbed. I would not read the words of any man or woman without, well, taking it with a grain of salt. I sort through information looking for things I can use and I discard the rest. In the teachings of Dr Dahesh, I have found much I can use. In George Burke I have found some words that confirm and expand the things I have already collected.

As I said, some of what George Burke has said is a reflection of the wisdom passed on by Dr Dahesh. Maybe he would like to be a Guru. The last name he has chosen, "Giri" has it origins in sanskrit or Hindu and means either "mountain" or "cloud". Swami in Hindu means Master. I guess he would like to elevate himself as "Master Nirmalanda, the Great". What ever he calls himself, he is but a man, unless God designates him as something else.

I think we both accept Dr Dahesh as a Prophet. That is what is important. But debate expands and clarifies the information that we maintain.

[Mario]

I think the problem (and I mean this in a good way) is as follows:

While some (present company included) comprehend quite well what "process" means in the context of the pursuit of "spiritual enlightenment" there are those for whom the notion is an anathema.

Ironically, when one analyzes Doctor Dahesh's broad range of writings and listens to him entertaining the Daheshists by recounting his own stories or bringing them to stern reality in his June 1, 1980 address, and reads (if they are fortunate enough to find it) examples of first-hand witness accounts, any well-rounded individual would be hard-pressed to place any one particular label upon either Doctor Dahesh or Daheshism.

And this is where we go into the even more (potentially) nebulous area called "branding":

Regardless of what the dictionary might say a word means (e.g. "philosopher," "philosophy," "doctrine," " ideology," "theory," "belief," and so on...) there is a high probability that the definition would be converted in an individual's mind to something that would trigger an emotional response — fueled by memories and expectations.

And because we live in a society where (typically) people tend to judge one another on the basis of that one thing they are supposed to be (i.e. "doctor," "lawyer," "medical assistant," and so on) the prospect for "edumacated" folks missing out on the bigger picture is an occupational hazard — and a posthumous one at that — for a figure such as Doctor Dahesh, whose Divine Message is (theoretically) supposed to live on through his "disciples" who (ideally) should jump at the first occasion (such as the one you present us with here) to elucidate, to inquire, to tweak, to agree, to disagree...

(Cue sound of crickets chirping...)

Me? I love the fact we're having these kinds of discussions.

And in fact, I was hoping some of the younger "disciples" would stick it out. But as we have seen, that experiment was an utter failure.

It was as if you took them and catapulted them into a concrete wall. They couldn't handle ... "process."

Then, of course, you have that other bit of business involving certain "clans" instructing others to avoid Daheshville.

...

In any case...


Of course you didn't say that Doctor Dahesh was a philosopher and I totally agree with you in terms of the nuances with regard to meditation and — even— when we speak of the philosophical aspects of Daheshism.

In fact, the expectation is that the "Daheshist Journey" should prompt philosophical debates — especially that Doctor Dahesh, himself (and arguably) left more riddles than (say) clear-cut answers.

He could have just given away the answers on a plate. Well, that might have been the case insofar his belief that the recipient of his advice would actually heed it. In other words, yes, on occasion, I've heard him go beyond merely giving an opinion — solicited or not. But those instances were rare and far in-between.

But with the era of the Spiritual Phenomena being over (until the next chapter) and for all practical purposes — and in terms of agreeing on a fundamentally objective definition — Daheshism is essentially a Theory.

And in the absence of process, a theory remains just that and neither growth nor spiritual enlightenment occur.

After all, a Supreme Brand certainly will not tolerate cheap imitations.

[Loup Solitaire]

I think the problem (and I mean this in a good way) is as follows:

While some (present company included) comprehend quite well what "process" means in the context of the pursuit of "spiritual enlightenment" there are those for whom the notion is an anathema.

It is my thought, and I think I have been influenced by what I have read of Dr Dahesh, that "enlightenment" is an eternal process. I can only conceive of it being finished when one is one with God, if that is possible.

Ironically, when one analyzes Doctor Dahesh's broad range of writings and listens to him entertaining the Daheshist by recounting his own stories or bringing them to stern reality in his June 1, 1980 address, and reads (if they are fortunate enough to find it) examples of first-hand witness accounts, any well-rounded individual would be hard-pressed to place any one particular label upon either Doctor Dahesh or Daheshism.

And this is where we go into the even more (potentially) nebulous area called "branding":

Regardless of what the dictionary might say a word means (e.g. "philosopher," "philosophy," "doctrine," " ideology," "theory," "belief," and so on...) there is a high probability that the definition would be converted in an individual's mind to something that would trigger an emotional response — fueled by memories and expectations.

I noticed that it appeared that Dr Dahesh avoided giving favor to only one person. There were many religious sects he could have aligned himself with. Instead, he maintained his own individuality, his independence. One meaningful message I have received is that he believed all religions could and should be in balance with each other. But I do keep in mind that he probably passed the same harsh judgment on all established and bigoted religions. I think he succeeded in enabling a union of people that would never have happened otherwise. Unfortunately, he has left a great void and the power that he exerted disappeared. The challenge is to set aside grievances and learn to live as it was when he was here.

And because we live in a society where (typically) people tend to judge one another on the basis of that one thing they are supposed to be (i.e. "doctor," "lawyer," "medical assistant," and so on) the prospect for "edumacated" folks missing out on the bigger picture is an occupational hazard — and a posthumous one at that — for a figure such as Doctor Dahesh, whose Divine Message is (theoretically) supposed to live on through his "disciples" who (ideally) should jump at the first occasion (such as the one you present us with here) to elucidate, to inquire, to tweak, to agree, to disagree...

(Cue sound of crickets chirping...)

Obviously, many of "the disciples" have faltered. Whether they will rise to the challenge, is unknown at this time.

I will need to return to this a little later, for I have a few things I must do.

Me? I love the fact we're having these kinds of discussions.

And in fact, I was hoping some of the younger "disciples" would stick it out. But as we have seen, that experiment was an utter failure.

Well someone needs to take the lead and maybe we are it. Or maybe we are just making fools of ourselves. Well call me foolish, here I am.

It was as if you took them and catapulted them into a concrete wall. They couldn't handle ... "process."

Then, of course, you have that other bit of business involving certain "clans" instructing others to avoid Daheshville.

...

I have a theory about this. Dr Dahesh was a person of such a magnitude, that when he left, it created such a void, no one thought it could be filled. I think somehow, they think another miracle is going to happen, and magically some great event will catapult the world into a new age. Maybe this will happen. But what if each of those out there simply made a small effort to recall what it was precisely Dr Dahesh brought to this planet. And as in the research done in noetic science seems to indicate, a group of people could influence events and they possessed the power to summon the power to bring on this new age. I know I sound naively optimistic, But I am optimistic and I am certain nothing good would have happened in my life had I not taken initiative to work towards a positive outcome. A vacuum or a void yields nothing. It creates no energy and changes nothing.

In any case...


Of course you didn't say that Doctor Dahesh was a philosopher and I totally agree with you in terms of the nuances with regard to meditation and — even— when we speak of the philosophical aspects of Daheshism.

In fact, the expectation is that the "Daheshist Journey" should prompt philosophical debates — especially that Doctor Dahesh, himself (and arguably) left more riddles than (say) clear-cut answers.

He could have just given away the answers on a plate. Well, that might have been the case insofar his belief that the recipient of his advice would actually heed it. In other words, yes, on occasion, I've heard him go beyond merely giving an opinion — solicited or not. But those instances were rare and far in-between.

But with the era of the Spiritual Phenomena being over (until the next chapter) and for all practical purposes — and in terms of agreeing on a fundamentally objective definition — Daheshism is essentially a Theory.

And in the absence of process, a theory remains just that and neither growth nor spiritual enlightenment occur.

After all, a Supreme Brand certainly will not tolerate cheap imitations.

I don't believe the "era of Spiritual Phenomena" is over. Once Dr Dahesh was here to do for others. Now is the time is time for those who truly believe in God to take the initiate. If one really believes that our destiny is to be one with Him, then maybe it is time to come forward.

[Mario]

But I do keep in mind that he probably passed the same harsh judgment on all established and bigoted religions.

Or, rather, on all those who commit crimes against humanity in the name of religion. For example, he was not against the concept of the "priesthood" (since we will eventually have Daheshists priests). But he was against corrupt priests.

The challenge is to set aside grievances and learn to live as it was when he was here.

When you mix a high sense of entitlement with a newfound terror of falling short of doing one's duty, you get the mess we're in at the moment, i.e. "Solo Acts of the Reactive Kind."

Sooner or later, you'll begin to see more and more people acting solo and fervently broadcasting the Daheshist Message (with or without the Trustees' blessing, which basically would translate into access to valuable information and manuscripts).

Obviously, many of "the disciples" have faltered. Whether they will rise to the challenge, is unknown at this time.

Well, when they decide to work as a team, and show proof positive they they are doing so, we'll assist them take over the branding assets as well as goodwill we've built. Oh, yeah, and some need to publicly apologize for disavowing Dr. Dahesh...

Well someone needs to take the lead and maybe we are it. Or maybe we are just making fools of ourselves. Well call me foolish, here I am.

Or maybe we're here to help form the future leaders.

I think somehow, they think another miracle is going to happen, and magically some great event will catapult the world into a new age. Maybe this will happen.

Maybe... But in my experience, and working "Behind the Scenes" no Miracle could ever save my hide when the Doctor was upset (for example) with me for (let's say) having goofed... For a lack of better words, this was "real life."

I am sorry, did I say "was?"

Just a couple of weeks ago, we intercepted (through a Google search) a "Daheshist Quotes'" page on some highly visible "Nudist Network's" website.

You probably can guess where the webmaster got his information from...

Well, someone had to contact that man and ask him (politely) to remove the erroneous information from that web site... I am happy to report that the matter was resolved amicably and expeditiously.

I know I sound naively optimistic

Well, to be fair to you — as well as others — you voluntarily tried certain avenues (i.e. contact certain Daheshists in the hope to start a dialog) and the results were not what you might have expected. That being said, I think you're entitled to stay hopeful. Now, others might categorize your words as being "naively optimistic"... then again, it's easy to be a "back seat driver."

Whereas, your words come from experience... they are part of the process you underwent to define what your role regarding Daheshism is.

I don't believe the "era of Spiritual Phenomena" is over. Once Dr Dahesh was here to do for others. Now is the time is time for those who truly believe in God to take the initiate. If one really believes that our destiny is to be one with Him, then maybe it is time to come forward.

So that we're on the same page, are you then saying that the sort of Miracles that occurred at the hand Doctor Dahesh (and which were performed by "Brother Ali") are still bound to take place?

[Loup Solitaire]

Originally Posted by Seul Loup
I don't believe the "era of Spiritual Phenomena" is over. Once Dr Dahesh was here to do for others. Now is the time is time for those who truly believe in God to take the initiate. If one really believes that our destiny is to be one with Him, then maybe it is time to come forward.

So that we're on the same page, are you then saying that the sort of Miracles that occurred at the hand Doctor Dahesh (and which were performed by "Brother Ali") are still bound to take place?

Not exactly. But consider this. If "Brother Ali" was the source of the power for the miracles, and they occurred as a result of the dedication to God by Dr Dahesh, then maybe, if there was significant focus of those who are here on this Earth to dedicate themselves to God, God may permit a "social miracle" to occur. A miracle that would lead to a renewed sense of purpose by all.

If someone would have asked me in 1980 if the Soviet Union were going to dissolve, I would have responded "Never!". Now granted, what happened was very complex. But, the most I would have hoped for was a slow, gradual, evolution in the Soviet Government, that would have tempered the way that government administered to its' people and its' lands. I would have only hoped for a situation like we have seen in China.

Was the dissolution a miracle or, simply something that was inevitable? For me it was a miracle. Whether we admit it or not, politician's ruled the Soviet Union. Politicians never give up anything.

[Mario]

This Old Post Might Interest You...

If someone would have asked me in 1980 if the Soviet Union were going to dissolve, I would have responded "Never!"

http://www.daheshville.com/forum/sho...71&postcount=4

[Loup Solitaire]

That email I sent to you.....

http://www.daheshville.com/forum/sho...71&postcount=4

I sent you an email. I sent that before I referred to this post. I think I'll buy that lottery ticket. Arizona or New Mexico might be nice.

[Mario]

Talk About Odds!

I sent you an email. I sent that before I referred to this post. I think I'll buy that lottery ticket. Arizona or New Mexico might be nice.

New Mexico — for sure!

[Loup Solitaire]

New Mexico — for sure!

I had previously investigated the terrain and climate of Arizona, but I hadn't thought as much about New Mexico. But I see it is arid and cooler in the summer than Arizona. Do you think Dr Dahesh would have liked New Mexico?

[Mario]

Do you think Dr Dahesh would have liked New Mexico?

To the bests of my recollection, I do not remember him mentioning N.M.

Ideally, we would have access to his books chronicling his travels around the world.

But let's say we will never know the definitive answer to that question:

We already know where he grew up and the places he loved visiting (from the books we already have at our disposal). Therefore, climate-wise, I would have to say "why not?"

However, beyond that issue, we have the one pertaining to Spiritual Fluids. In other words, had he been with us, most likely he would have given us specific instructions based on Spiritual Revelations.

Or...

Such an event has already taken place and the information is sealed — or perhaps still undiscovered...

On a side-note: you probably remember all the "debates" that went on regarding the Museum (and by "Museum" I mean the non-profit organization that would eventually assume all responsibility for preserving and exhibiting His collection).

To summarize: Some people (and I paraphrase) are of the opinion that the Museum knows what it is doing and (maybe) there is a valid reason for everything that transpired, starting with the Museum publicly disavowing Doctor Dahesh the Prophet.

Not too long after these "debates" the Museum closed its doors and became (mainly) a store while lending parts of its collection to other museums in its valiant (yes, that was sarcasm) to perpetuate awareness about... ACADEMIC ART.

People, who cares about Daheshism! It's all about ACADEMIC ART, get it?

Perhaps the fact that Syracuse University is showing Doctor Dahesh's collection — despite the "homeless" status of the Museum — is a testament to Doctor Dahesh's own vision. And I know that all those who still support the Museum's actions have convinced themselves that the Museum is a ... martyr. And to those people, I would like to (once again) ask the following question:

If a famous magazine contacted you and asked you to deny or verify "rumors" about Doctor Dahesh being a Prophet and Miracle Worker, what would you say?

Do you seriously believe you could be the reason such words would be published:

Kaplan goes even further. Speaking on behalf of the board, she denies that Dr. Dahesh founded the spiritual movement. "He didn't establish it," Kaplan says. "The fact is, these people (Daheshists,) that's what they say. He never proclaimed himself anything, not a prophet, not a reincarnation. He never claimed anything that people are claiming for him. He was born a Christian, and he must have been very charismatic.".

In other words, do you think you can, in addition to publicly saying that Doctor Dahesh was not a Prophet, call all the Daheshists around the world (living or dead) liars?

If you can honestly think you can do that, just because someone brainwashed you into believing this would be a good thing, then I am here to tell you that you are gravely mistaken.

Anyway, and back to our regularly scheduled show: Whether New Mexico or Arizona, Massachusetts or New York, it's all good.

I mean, look at what the Latter Days Saints did with "the land that nobody wanted" (I am quoting Brigham Young correctly).

For my money, and given what transpired, I'll probably even take Cleveland, Ohio over Greenwich, Connecticut any day.

When certain Spiritual Fluids leave a particular place or person... that's it.

[Loup Solitaire]

More on "Abbot George Burke"

I am certain that Dr Dahesh did and would still caution anyone about people with hidden agendas and devious motives. And I think Mario also has offered caution about such things. When I stumbled on a web page referencing some thoughts from George Burke, I didn't buy into the complete philosophical views of "Abbot George Burke". But I did find some of the information interesting especially regarding historical references about views held by different peoples of history regarding reincarnation.

One can hardly get an accurate perception of an individual through a single glance. Again, my curiosity was aroused and I looked closer. And again, I stumbled across references to the "man, George Burke". Obviously, others have taken a close look at this man and I find interesting their observations.
Following is a link to an article by Fr. Anthony Nelson posted on the Orthodox Christian Information Center web site: http://www.orthodoxinfo.com/general/monasteryicons.aspx .

According to Fr. Anthony Nelson, George Burke was already becoming notorious in the 1970's. He has had a checkered past while waffling from one religious cult to another. Does any of this sound familiar? He evidently used each as a platform to flatter himself and construct a base to suit his objectives of self glorification.

Now that is not to say that all beliefs referenced and espoused by him are invalid. The problem is that he used it all to accomplish his own vain ends. Often he interjected patently erroneous information into his espoused beliefs. Often dragging innocent people into a cult of his own making. It is implied that he participated in idolatry and other questionable practices. Significant beliefs and persons of history have been constantly pirated and acclaimed by people with devious intent for as long as there has been organized religion. All the more reason why there is a need for Prophets to be continually returned to this Earth to straighten out the mess created by charlatans and others who would manipulate pious people for there own gain.

Read through the link and evaluate it for yourself.

In the meantime, I apologize if I have given credibility and recognition to someone who may not merit it.

[Mario]

In the meantime, I apologize if I have given credibility and recognition to someone who may not merit it.

The good news is that — as far as this particular "journey" is concerned — you've reached a deeper understanding.

It's easy for me to tell you — outright — "he's a charlatan." But — and at the risk of sounding presumptuous — that would have robbed you of your rite of passage. And if you were conflicted about the issue, that's OK.

Why do I say that?

Well, here is another "blast from the past" (before you joined us, as a matter of fact) where I retell a story I heard from the mouth of Doctor Dahesh Himself.

My goal in showing this (once again) is simply to demonstrate how no one, practically, is immune to doubt — at least, as far as the Daheshists are concerned. And I do consider you a Daheshist even though — of course — I don't (supposedly) have the authority to proclaim you as being one, as I am sure those who secretly consider themselves "holy men" would disagree and scoff at the mere thought.

Well, these people are free to email complaints at :

"[email protected]"

[Sandrine]

And I do consider you a Daheshist even though — of course — I don't (supposedly) have the authority to proclaim you as being one, as I am sure those who secretly consider themselves "holy men" would disagree and scoff at the mere thought.

Well, these people are free to email complaints at :

"[email protected]"

Mario, are you saying that these "holy men" would scoff at your considering Seul Loup to be a Daheshist or are you saying that they would scoff at the idea that Seul Loup is a Daheshist ?