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    I thought this entire debate might be easier to follow if it were placed in a single location. What are we talking about? Use of copy right protected materials. The status of Jesus, Prophet, God, Messenger or what? Who can invoke miracles? The truth is Darrick, I doubt you will ever accept the true tenants of Daheshism because you want something that is going to be explosive NOW! You don't have the patience, you don't have the humility. and you don't trust. You want a revolution.

    I think we are all forgetting that the pecking order is God and then comes whoever is serving him. So the focus of our prayers should be to God. Whoever we can think of that has influence with God, well throw that in too. I certainly respect those who have experienced Dr Dahesh, unfortunately I didn't have that opportunity. Since most of his books were written in arabic, it's going to be very difficult to get a good perspective of his thinking.

    Miracles are great for getting the attention of people. But what is really important is instruction in how we should live our lives in an ever changing and increasingly complex world.

    Today, the focus of religious teaching is doing little to resolve world conflict, genocide, radical governments and international hostility. It matters little today what the status was of Jesus or Muhammed. The debate is simply dividing us instead of uniting us. If Dr Dahesh was influenced by a spirit, then it is a shame he was not placed in a position of greater importance. Who knows maybe he was here on a fact finding mission in preparation for a return of something even greater.

    In the meantime, what did Dr Dahesh leave us in terms of instruction of how to deal with this world as it is today?

  • #2
    Originally posted by ronschaum View Post
    If Dr Dahesh was influenced by a spirit, then it is a shame he was not placed in a position of greater importance. Who knows maybe he was here on a fact finding mission in preparation for a return of something even greater.

    In the meantime, what did Dr Dahesh leave us in terms of instruction of how to deal with this world as it is today?
    Yes Ron it is a shame ... and I think that The Greatest Shame of all is that :

    Doctor Dahesh was persecuted by the Lebanese government because of his opinions, his good reputation among the People and his fame …

    He was a man with a high moral and had A Spiritual Message to deliver to the world, to save us …

    So, He’s been persecuted … tortured … exiled … imprisoned … because the government - intrinsically linked to the religious authorities in Lebanon - felt that “their superficial supremacy” might be in danger comparing to The Truth and The Spiritual Message of this “new Leader”.

    His charisma was real and we may easily understand why …

    The Truths He revealed and The miracles he performed couldn’t be questioned …

    If we read “Innocent in Chains-The Notes” (in the section members) we may understand that :
    He was The First One to suffer from the human cruelty…

    What “Humanity” lives today is the result or the consequences of what we’ve done yesterday.
    On planet Earth we are all spiritually linked and we are all part of THE SAME spiritual family ...

    That’s why, Daheshism teaches us to be “Responsible” human beings, to take responsibility for our actions, thoughts and deeds … and to bear the consequences of what we do … of what we’ve done before …

    I have personally seen miracles and I think that it simply gives me more responsibilities towards God because indeed, I believe in My Prophet and in His Spiritual Message …

    The Unity of Religions - that Daheshism states - is because All religions lead to God …
    We are all brothers and sisters ... Loving each others, trying to live a simple life without harming anyone, taking care of people around us, respecting and helping each others …

    The Message is pure, beautiful and simple although it seems always so hard to practice …

    But how could we change what's happening to the world today without begining by changing ourselves, without reforming ourselves?
    Last edited by Sandrine; 03-12-2007, 03:16 PM.

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    • #3
      I'm sorry Sandrine. Try not to be personally offended. Basically, I am very concerned about the well being of the people who are most vulnerable. I don't need some tools to change me. I need some tools to change the world.

      One can look to so many parts of the world including the United States and see people in need or in danger.Trust me, I am making plans regarding what I am going to do on a local level. But the global level is scarier than that.

      I thoroughly accept the need to universalize religion. There are already some attempts/movements being made to do that.

      Dr Dahesh's miracles are a thing of the past. I am willing to accept him as credible. But it is difficult to identify his doctrend from my perspective. If he hasn't left some instruction in dealing with an increasingly complex world or hope for change, what have we got to look forward to other than prayer. Maybe that's the message.

      This Darrick debate in my opinion is degrading the effort to shed light on what is important.

      If Dr Dahesh only influenced 40,000 people and most of them climbed into a hole or died, then what is left. I really am trying to get to the essence of that spiritual message.

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      • #4
        Harmony versus Unity

        David will attest to the fact that, in a lecture about Daheshism, I clearly said that "miracles are not important." I might have even mentioned that in a place or two on Daheshville (Well, they are and aren't and that's a another whole debate).

        Also, if all religions are supposed to be one, then Dahesh would not have written words that call for Daheshists to respect other faiths and not to try to "convert" others.

        Instead, I would like to suggest we speak of "harmony" versus "unity."
        I can't speak for other venues, but in Daheshville, Doctor Dahesh is of the utmost importance.

        I will go on record right now and state the following: While I respect what some Daheshsists may have received in terms of information (which may well be far greater than what I have received—and I will repeat that for all the time I spent with the Doctor, he never sat me down and lectured me or told me " you will tell people to do this and that...") what matters more to me is how they live their lives, BASED UPON THAT INFORMATION.

        Are they truly patient? When bad times befall them, do they keep the faith and do they remain benevolent? When good times return, do they become arrogant and forget the past? Lastly, how are they helping humanity?

        I am sure Doctor Dahesh left a mountain of information... a mountain upon which certain people are sitting and holding on to. Why that is, I have no idea.

        But I refuse to believe that our salvation is reliant upon them releasing this information (whatever that happens to be).

        I don't can't speak for others, but I'm almost 50 years old and I've gone through enough experiences that twisted every fiber of my being and eventually molded me into the person I am today.

        Still, the door is open for them to grace us with all that knowledge.

        In the meatime, and based on my personal experience, here are the basics:

        That you believe is God and that the universe is teaming with life.
        That you believe in reincarnation and that your past actions (may they be on past lives or during the current cycle of your existence) will determine what happens to you.
        That you (try to) accept whatever befalls you despite how hurtfull it may be.
        That you give thanks to God for what you have.
        That you NOT covet what other have.
        That you do not hate.
        That you try to let go of anger and not be attached to whatever you own even though it is rightfully yours.

        The rest are mere details... There is NOTHING new (really).

        And, for the record—and as Father Noah's letter indicates—this is the last cycle before the next recreation of the perceived universe.

        You're right, where ARE those Daheshists...

        Well, for what it's worth, you have a handful of us here...

        And as David said in the lecture at M.I.T. : "There is no arrival point, we're always on a journey."
        Last edited by Mario; 03-12-2007, 05:28 PM.
        "Fail, to succeed."

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        • #5
          Another thing I need to add:

          The only way to save the world is to allow the message of God's last prophet in this cycle to grow.

          I know (and I thank you for saying) that you are willing to accept him as being credible. But ask yourself this: Would you have based on Darrick's websites?

          We're fighting a war against ignorance. And to add insult to injury, those who thought were our closest allies turned out to be our ennemies. There is a lot happening behind the Daheshville scenes that I care to go into right now.

          The motivation behind all of this is ego.

          I once said that the Daheshist Mission will prevail thanks to people from "the outside" (who, I firmly believe were with the Doctor in either a previous cycle or this one).

          So, what is my point?

          We should certainly worry (I, like Trump, believe in the power of NEGATIVE thinking as well as Positive thinking)... but I am hopeful as well.

          I just can't believe that all of that was for naught.
          "Fail, to succeed."

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          • #6
            And yet another thought ...

            There are those who don't need instructions. Or rather, they will not be able to relate to Daheshism if they read the instructions that were given to Ghazi Brax, because they are looking for things beyond that.

            According to what I was told by a Daheshist, these instructions were given because the Doctor saw that, well, some NEED instructions.

            This (I believe) was persuant to a Daheshist, who was a Christian as far as his Lebanese Citizen ID said (that's the way in Lebanon!). He would convert to Islam to please his inlaws...

            Ron, I promise you, for some (such as yoursef) it is a matter of discussions at length. But don't expect a turnkey solution that would satisfy YOU. Ain't none.

            For some, like Darrick, things are linear. Good for them.

            You, I assure you, will not be happy unless you follow the path that is more holistic. And what THAT entails is this:

            Pondering, studying, etc. different avenues, and then, one day, letting your subconscious do its work...

            Do we know why we learn to ride a bike? Not really... Same here...

            Besides... let's remember what the Doctor said to my brother... "It takes me 20 years to make a Daheshist of someone..."
            Last edited by Daheshville; 03-12-2007, 10:26 PM.
            "Fail, to succeed."

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            • #7
              Originally posted by ronschaum View Post
              I'm sorry Sandrine. Try not to be personally offended. Basically, I am very concerned about the well being of the people who are most vulnerable. I don't need some tools to change me. I need some tools to change the world.

              One can look to so many parts of the world including the United States and see people in need or in danger.Trust me, I am making plans regarding what I am going to do on a local level. But the global level is scarier than that.
              Dear Ron,

              I understand that my words may appear too simple to be true but, how many Prophets, will we need to change "who" we are, our deep spiritual nature … so that we may hope to change the world and the materialistic illusion that blinds our souls …

              I would add to Mario’s beautiful words that, The complexity of the world and "what" seems to be scaring in a Global Perspective of the world is :

              -The result of the "Average spiritual level" of ALL the inhabitants of Earth

              - What "you", "me" and "all the human beings": Do, think, say in "our little corner of the world", have spiritual consequences and repercussions on those to whom we are linked … somewhere ... elsewhere ...

              - In fact, our spiritual fluids are linked to many people - that we don’t even know… maybe in Africa, China, Europe … - and depending on HOW we live our life "here and now" in our small corner, we may elevate or deteriorate the spiritual level and happiness of those to whom we are linked …

              - That’s why :
              Every little action counts and what we do on a personal level WILL influence what’s happening to the rest of the world …

              We are ALL interconnected, our lives are interrelated to others lives …

              And that’s why, I will always be focusing on The Necessity of reforming our inner nature if we hope to change the world … the tools are in our hands …

              - "Some tools to change the world" :

              Let’s follow the perfect example of Gandhi's life … how the many sacrifices of a single human being may change the world … he stood for what he believed to be True, praying God, he fought injustice by a non-violent attitude, fasting, working with the poorest people, cleaning the lavatories, deciding to respect every living creatures, living in chastity although he loved his wife so much, giving his life to others … he changed His part of the world and inspired many people in the rest of the world ...

              Love is one of The most perfect tool to change the world …

              Sandrine

              Ps: Yes, this Darrick's debate is irrelevant ...
              Last edited by Sandrine; 03-13-2007, 10:12 AM.

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              • #8
                I would like to echo both Mario and Sandrines' beautiful narratives. Sandrine mentioning the life of Ghandi is the most apt description of how "one man with peace makes a majority'. This quote by Ghandi is from a calendar that hung in my room by my door when I was a young boy.

                This bandwagon that I have seen many jump on as far as "going out and spreading Daheshism" is on many levels very disturbing to me. Daheshism does not need to be "spread" it will spread on its own... spread as each individual opens the ears of their heart to hear that little voice that speaks to them that there is something more out there. It is like the saying in Field of Dreams: "...build it and they will come..." Much as what has been done here on this site by those who had first hand experiences with Dr. Dahesh, the information and legacy of the Dr.'s life is an important document of the legacy that Daheshism will become in the world. We wish others would contribute in some way to the document and archive that is forming here.

                Sadly, what I see forming are various camps, seemingly to own or command the true voice or authority of Daheshism. Historically in other evolutions of our lives, I know this same thing has happened as well.

                Daheshism will find its way in the world. It is like the flow of water that will find its way through the ground, over rocks, around mountains, replenished as nature needs it to be and ultimately out in to the open air. With us or without us. To summarize what Sandrine said so beautifully "if you want to change the world, change yourself". This is so elegantly true. Daheshism shows us that the path of enlightenment (if I may call it that) is a personal inward journey of subtleties. Think of Moses and the 10 commandments now with fine print. There is really nothing new here. It is just a finer and more detailed accounting of the realities of our place within the universe and the amazing realities that are out there beyond our comprehensions of this world we see in front of us.

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                • #9
                  I wish that the committee or co-committee that is charged with managing the direct works of the Dr. (his novels, his essays, his poems) could one day bring to the english speaking population these works. There is nothing like hearing (reading) the direct words (albeit translated) of Dr. Dahesh. Nothing is left to the the middle-man for intrepretation of what his thoughts were. Also, what we ultimately will have here, which is unprecedented.... Imagine if Jesus had written hundreds of books... on all topics of all his observations of the world and we were able to read them. Imagine...
                  Last edited by Johnson; 03-13-2007, 05:45 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Thank you all for your thoughts. Especially for the prompt toward Noah's Letter. There are some very subtle messages there. What was the origin of the letter? The background?

                    I apologize if I sounded negative. To be honest, I felt that the issues with Darrick were distracting from the positive aspects of what you are trying to accomplish. I fully recognize his weaknesses.

                    Also Mario,

                    That you believe is God and that the universe is teaming with life.
                    That you believe in reincarnation and that your past actions (may they be on past lives or during the current cycle of your existence) will determine what happens to you.
                    That you (try to) accept whatever befalls you despite how hurtful it may be.
                    That you give thanks to God for what you have.
                    That you NOT covet what other have.
                    That you do not hate.
                    That you try to let go of anger and not be attached to whatever you own even though it is rightfully yours.

                    That is a good summation. Sometimes it hard to keep a proper perspective. Adding to this prayer and meditation utilizing whatever you have to focus your thoughts (if it be memories of Dr Dahesh and his wisdom, so be it).

                    Thanks again.

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                    • #11
                      I would like to put an end to the whole D.E. (you know the name) "debate". This individual infiltrates various organizations under the pretense that he is sincere and interested in "joining". Then he writes an expose´, "revealing" what he thinks are hot and juicy "facts" he has found and tries to find an audience interested in said expose´.

                      I don't like his ways.... and D.E., I am on to you. You can look all you want, ask all the questions you want here... everyone here will be as courteous and treat you with the decorum and respect that is due. There is no expose´ here to be found. There is no secret organization here. In fact, we here in Daheshville have tried to be as open and honest with you as we have with all others that have shared their quests.

                      D.E., your "Trojan Horse" tactics and numerous dishonest misrepresentations elsewhere are well known... and getting more known. I humbly suggest you re-evaluate your tactics and motivations. If you have glory in your eyes to rise to being "known"... try the noble and honest path. Funny thing how karma works... you may unknowingly one day find yourself at the receiving end of an expose´. Kind of like an update from the Salt Lake City Messenger article in 1991... and others.

                      http://www.utlm.org/newsletters/no79.htm

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