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    I'm still trying to get my mind around the idea of someone proclaiming them self or being proclaimed a "Prophet" and what that means. From the Christian, Jewish, or Islamic perspective, there are a limited number of less than forty candidates that fall into the category throughout recorded history depending upon how tight the definition. If we broaden this to include Buddhism, Sikhism, and other eastern religions, the list gets a little longer. These people are responsible for establishing the majority of all codes for moral and social behavior. That is not to say there were not other influences, but the codification of acceptable behavior in western civilization is largely a function of religion (correct me if you disagree).

    According to http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/prophet.html "prophet" is "a spokesman for God; he spake in God's name and by his authority. He is the mouth by which God speaks to men, and hence what the prophet says is not of man but of God" .

    That being the case, how can I fully understand and appreciate the role that Dr Dahesh is fulfilling and how should people respond to what is known. I can read what he has written. That may work for some people. But I don't think it will work for me. For me it will take much longer. I will need to educate myself on the progression of prophets so that I can gauge the magnitude of Dr Dahesh relative to those whom came before him. It's this magnitude that will determine when and what will be said about Dr Dahesh and what he has written in the years to come.

    This is less of a question and more of a statement. I simply am saying that this is a process of getting to know what Dr Dahesh represents now and historically. Each prophet made different contributions, I want to better understand his. True, his is more current, but also it less dramatic than that of Jesus. Are we starting a new religion, or simply trying to get those that are here on the right track? Yes, there are questions. But are we making the right assumptions?
    Last edited by Loup Solitaire; 11-27-2007, 02:10 PM. Reason: Expand Statement

  • #2
    Ron... I will try to prepare a longer answer to your question, but alas, the reality of that work thing gets in the way at the moment.

    My short response to your questioning the validity and how and what reality fits in to the whole "prophet or not a prophet" issue... is this... GOOD!!! Question EVERYTHING! Whatever "answers" you find through your introspection and queries will truly be your very own "truth".

    You may come to different conclusions than I have or someone else may come to. That is fine... we each have our own journey. However, and please take this as a heartfelt truth, I have the utmost respect for you that you are asking these questions in the first place. And whatever you find in your journey, I will respect and honor that as well, as I know you have earnestly searched for what is truth for you.

    In the Bible, Jesus says either be hot or cold when it comes to belief... luke warm doesn't cut it. I can respect the person that tells me I am full of it because after researching and thinking and drawing conclusions, they can't make this piece fit with that piece and ergo, my "belief system" doesn't make sense to them.

    We are all on a journey of trying to make all the pieces fit.

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    • #3
      Historically speaking, I would certainly feel it is as dramatic as Jesus Christ's times... Consider the parallels: a whole nation against one man, all the newspapers bought by the president, and the author of the Lebanese Constitution (his brother-in-law) leading the attack (he owned a news paper himself). Then the jailing and vicious torture, plus the execution. Plus, the suicide of Madga, and her Mother (the president's sister in law and the sister of the man who wrote the constitution) being jailed for one year in an asylum for men. Also, imagine her having to witness the autopsy of her own daughter (an autopsy that was aiming to prove she was pregnant and that she shot herself because Doctor Dahesh made her pregnant)...

      I recently read in one of the Doctor's books in my library an amazing passage. He writes that, no sooner that dies and leaves this plane of existence, he will appear in the other dimension and mount an incredible attack (in that other dimension) on those who were responsible for Magda's death... Of course, the results were negative and Magda died a virgin.

      Ron, this is the beginning of the last Religion before the end... which will usher a new beginning... new stars, galaxies.. etc. It's scary... but, all that is expected of you is to have faith and believe...

      On a side note...

      The problem is made even worse when you have people positioning themselves to be official spokesmen for "The Spirit," feeding you "Codes" through one-way channels of communications that limit any measure of feedback — because, as far they are concerned, such thing does not exist.

      They may write about how evil modern music is... and listen to Disco Music in private (true story!)

      David, I don't want to steal your thunder, I just want to add one last thing: things take time... And, here is the great news (I will stake my life on it):

      It doesn't matter if you don't find the answer. The journey, the process, the effort, the intention etc... if far, far, far more important than actually accomplishing the task (whatever that may be).

      Let me give a stupid example: Let's say a person has a problem with shop lifting and, for the life of them, cannot seem to overcome this Spiritual Fluid. Should they have their hands surgically removed? How about their arms and legs... no, better yet, induce themselves into a coma by eating puffer fish ... Great... now, they are totally unable to Shop lift.

      Now, here is the funny part: I am so willing to bet you that this person in my absurd scenario would tell me "And how do you know I wasn't meant to do that?"
      "Fail, to succeed."

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Mario View Post
        I just want to add one last thing: things take time... And, here is the great news (I will stake my life on it):

        It doesn't matter if you don't find the answer. The journey, the process, the effort, the intention etc... if far, far, far more important than actually accomplishing the task (whatever that may be).
        Yes, exactly, Mario... I guess that is what I trying to say in too many words...

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        • #5
          Originally posted by mario

          (1) Historically speaking, I would certainly feel it is as dramatic as Jesus Christ's times... Consider the parallels: a whole nation against one man, all the newspapers bought by the president, and the author of the Lebanese Constitution (his brother-in-law) leading the attack (he owned a news paper himself). Then the jailing and vicious torture, plus the execution. Plus, the suicide of Magda, and her Mother (the president's sister in law and the sister of the man who wrote the constitution) being jailed for one year in an asylum for men. Also, imagine her having to witness the autopsy of her own daughter (an autopsy that was aiming to prove she was pregnant and that she shot herself because Doctor Dahesh made her pregnant)...

          (2) I recently read in one of the Doctor's books in my library an amazing passage. He writes that, no sooner that dies and leaves this plane of existence, he will appear in the other dimension and mount an incredible attack (in that other dimension) on those who were responsible for Magda's death... Of course, the results were negative and Magda died a virgin.

          (3) Ron, this is the beginning of the last Religion before the end... which will usher a new beginning... new stars, galaxies.. etc. It's scary... but, all that is expected of you is to have faith and believe...

          (4) The problem is made even worse when you have people positioning themselves to be official spokesmen for "The Spirit," feeding you "Codes" through one-way channels of communications that limit any measure of feedback — because, as far they are concerned, such thing does not exist.

          They may write about how evil modern music is... and listen to Disco Music in private (true story!)

          David, I don't want to steal your thunder, I just want to add one last thing: things take time... And, here is the great news (I will stake my life on it):

          It doesn't matter if you don't find the answer. The journey, the process, the effort, the intention etc... if far, far, far more important than actually accomplishing the task (whatever that may be).

          Let me give a stupid example: Let's say a person has a problem with shop lifting and, for the life of them, cannot seem to overcome this Spiritual Fluid. Should they have their hands surgically removed? How about their arms and legs... no, better yet, induce themselves into a coma by eating puffer fish ... Great... now, they are totally unable to Shop lift.

          Now, here is the funny part: I am so willing to bet you that this person in my absurd scenario would tell me "And how do you know I wasn't meant to do that?"

          On item one... when I said dramatic, don't think I meant to minimize Dr Dahesh's personal experiences. I was talking more about the the world wide impact. Historically, it's too soon to talk about that. If international awareness increases and people react, that is the type of dramatic I was talking about. It's the type of dramatic impact provided by history. I can fully appreciate what Dr Dahesh and his supporters and the people of Lebanon experienced. Mario forgive me. I forget how personal Dr Dahesh's suffering was for you.

          Item Two... please explain in more detail.

          Item three... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-prt5d6m6s . Terence McKenna (deceased) who was not a particularly religious person thought that some event that he referred to as "novelty" is to occur in the near future 2012. This event is going to totally redefine life on earth. I can't remember whether you had stated Dr Dahesh indicated this was a near term probability. Did you?

          Item Four... I hate people who play self centered personal politics feathering their own nest.

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          • #6
            Hi Ron,

            Thank you for your kind words. Please know that I didn't think you were minimizing Doctor Dahesh's experience either, I assure you. I think we just needed to expand on the meaning of the words "Dramatic." Besides, seen from a wide angle lens, the impact of Doctor Dahesh might well need be seen over the course of perhaps hundreds of years (or with stop motion photography). There is so much mystery out there... For example, let's take "evolution" and "creation" and they may in fact work together. I mention this because if we assume the Letter of Father Noah is literal, there will certainly be "destruction" and "creation" and perhaps... evolution as well. Remember I once asked the Doctor if animals had prophets and he didn't say no. He smiled and simply said something to effect of "let's not get into it."

            In other words, the Dinosaurs might have been (at one point) the reigning race on this level or Dimension before the introduction, perhaps, out of "thin air" of our ancestors, who — by the way — had not genetic link to Cromagnon Man (did I spell this right?)...

            I saw the movie and I have a couple of thoughts. Firstly, I've always had a eerie feeling (personally) about the year 2009. Partly because the Doctor in his "Innocent in Chains" spoke about the number "nine," partly because 2009 marks 33 years after he wrote an frightening poem about the destruction of the planet. You can read that piece in Ghazi Brax's English translation of his lecture. 3+3 equals 6. Plus, 33 is the age that Jesus (or the personality of Jesus) was crucified.

            Lastly, 2009 marks 25 years since the passing of our Prophet.

            None of it really means anything. I am just sharing with you my personal musings about this issue of the "end of the world."

            Now, why am I particularly fascinated with this subject?

            Simple: I experienced, first hand, a version of the Apocalypse when I was 14. I remember reading my comic book one morning and soldiers knocking on our door (I'll summarize very quickly). We went into my father's cousin's (Elie Rabbath) apartment, which was right next door. His wife, Marie Rabbath, suggested we sit in the living room. It was newly furnished and out of respect, someone, I don't know who, suggested we sit in the dining area instead. They were adjoined and spacious.

            Soon after, the first rocket to usher the ruthless battle of the battle of the hotels would explode meters away from us, hitting the bottom edge of the concrete balcony of the unit above. What followed what 13 days of non stop bombing, shelling, and shooting. We were stuck in that second floor, with nowhere to go. I did manage to play the LP player in the foyer, where we were all huddled (we were exactly 9 nine people..) The neighbors sought refuge in our place) when we had a break and electricity!

            That's not the story...

            On the night of the first day-from-hell, my dad came up to me and said "Mario, I have to prepare you. I heard the soldiers say that our building is a target for total destruction. Tonight we might die." Geographically, our building stood strong against the Goliath known as "The Holiday Inn Hotel". It was used as a shield to shoot at the Hotel.



            http://www.studioview.com/londonstreet.jpg

            Arguably, I experienced a version of the "End of the World" and that is my frame of reference. Others have seen much worse... Today, in the world, as I type this, people are dying in concentration camps, mauled, raped, murdered, emotionally and spiritually torn from Spiritual Fluid to Fluid.

            But I like to think of myself as an optimist. So is Sandrine, so is David. And I can't tell you how thankful I am, after all these years, to be here.

            There has to be a meaning to all of this...

            Just consider this nightmare scenario: Imagine you didn't care about any of these issues. Just imagine what sort of Hellish nightmare you might find yourself in, when waking up. Instead, you "woke up" in America. Despite all that you have endured, you are open to the idea of Doctor Dahesh being a prophet and you are seeking.

            You could have been attracted to the LDS Church, or Buddhism. That's also great. It doesn't matter. Every "Fluid" has to swim in the "pool" of light that attracts them. You're here because something in Daheshism speaks to you. We feel honored you choose Daheshville to express your inner thoughts.

            In terms of "Item Two"

            I'll have to find that passage again, and that may take time... I can tell you though that the passage was powerful. It spoke with a bone chilling coldness... Basically, (And I praraphrase) "Just wait until I leave Earth. Don't think this is over. I will hunt you down wherever you are and will punish you" there were the words of a warrior.

            Ron, the Doctor was a warrior of the noblest kind.
            However, he was discreet.

            Once, I heard him express something before me that ended up being the biggest test of my life... He wanted to test my metal.

            I laugh when I see this or that person act like they are "saviors" or "protectors"... of Daheshism.

            I know I said that my Spiritual Letter mandated that I act as a protector. That is by NO means a declaration on my part that I am one. I am trying, everyday, to rise to that honor. I simply had to mention that.

            Like I said... Doctor Dahesh most definitely — I believe—tested me... I don't know why...

            Samer once said that some of what I say is frightening. He's not kidding...

            The subject of that test was a murderer and lowlife, who had committed war crimes against humanity as well as against Daheshists in particular.

            All I can say to those who whine and complain that the things they have to do are difficult...( I am referring to THE TRUSTEES) You don't know what difficult is until you are faced with a real life and death choice... and I was barely 22 years old...perhaps even 21... I'll have to check the history books!

            As for the details of this experience, I will keep until my last breath.

            I'll just tell you that the fate of that murderer was sealed in a vision I had about this fate. Brother Ali, reading my mind, spoke through Doctor Dahesh and said to me : "As you see, it shall be". Nothing else was said...

            A few Days later, still in NYC, Doctor Dahesh and I, just before we leave to go shopping for fruits and vegetables, decides to put CNN on. We heard news of his fate (thousands of miles away) then and there...

            Wow... I feel drained... Oh, I know... I need a shot of anger to revive me... forgive me, Ron, I must turn away from you a second and address some pathetic cowards that are here to spy on us and report back to their "bosses" who dare not come here in person:

            Hello "Columbia University"! (God Bless Reverse I.P.!)

            You... coward(s)... you couldn't even ADMIT in public that Doctor Dahesh was a prophet and you crucified those who disagreed with you. You have no idea what a REAL test is like or what it really feels like to make peace with your maker...


            Wow... That felt good!

            As for item 4... Minor request (and I direct this towards myself as well): let us not "hate" anyone. Occasional spurts of anger are OK I think... hold on... I feel another one coming... Naah... better pace myself!

            There is a great story by Joseph Campbell where a Samurai Warrior ended not killing and releasing free his master's murderer because the latter spat in his face seconds before he was about the deliver the lethal blow.

            A witness to the event was puzzled and asked the Warrior "why didn't you kill him?"

            His answer was:

            "He made me angry..."
            Last edited by Mario; 11-27-2007, 07:36 PM. Reason: Typos
            "Fail, to succeed."

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            • #7
              Regarding The Vatican

              In the movies, they talk about a prophecy concerning the Vatican.

              I checked in the books and saw an illustration that Doctor Dahesh commissioned (I don't know when)... If I were to believe what I see in the illustration, the prophecy is then true.
              "Fail, to succeed."

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              • #8
                Talk of Prophets

                Back to Ron's comments on "The Prophet" i am sure that if i had to have the same personal experience with Dr.Dahesh i would have believed the same as you Mario and maybe even more, but one question are there any new believers coming into the Dahesh faith and taking up the Dahesh message that have not had any personal experience with the Doctor?

                Would be interesting to know.....

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Erwin View Post
                  Back to Ron's comments on "The Prophet" i am sure that if i had to have the same personal experience with Dr.Dahesh i would have believed the same as you Mario and maybe even more, but one question are there any new believers coming into the Dahesh faith and taking up the Dahesh message that have not had any personal experience with the Doctor?

                  Would be interesting to know.....
                  Hi Erwin,

                  Hope all is well.

                  That's an excellent question. Based on what we are seeing in Daheshville, we certainly have the sons and daughters of the Daheshists themselves who were either too young to remember Dr. Dahesh at the time, or born after his departure. I also know that there is school in the Bekaa Valley owned and run by Daheshists. The Mehdi family. It is a regular school — however, at the time I was in touch with that family, and based on reports from people who taught there, Doctor Dahesh is discussed openly.

                  The only person, in my life-long pursuit of attempting to convince everyone and anyone, who became what one might call a "true Daheshist" is David Johnson. He paid a lot of dues, and considering the treatment he received, it's a miracle he has not forsaken the prophet he believes in.

                  And the irony with David is that the way he became a Daheshist was nothing I expected. In fact, he had introduced himself to me after the Doctor passed away. We were attending the same undergraduate school and the first time I saw him on a regular basis was during an evening course. During that time, the Doctor was still alive, and often with me in NYC.

                  But I never imagined become friends with David, let alone his "Brother"... for a host of reasons. One of them... well... he just bugged the hell out of me with his attention to detail... He would bring these cardboard models to the "Morphology class" (where I was bored out of my mind, counting the minutes when I can leave and return to be next to the Doctor, to prepare his meals and tuck him into bed...)

                  After the Doctor passed away, I applied to M.I.T.
                  David, also, applied... and to the same program. When we both got accepted, my professor said to me "Great, you'll be seeing David Johnson a lot!"

                  I went "Who?!"

                  I had no clue that the kid that annoyed the heck out of me with his "perfect morphology" models was "following me" all the way to M.I.T.

                  But, then, one day, David came up to me, formally introduced himself and congratulated me.

                  I thought... "hmm... Maybe I'll give the guy a break."

                  Then one day I entered Higgins' Hall, and there was David setting up speaker and Keyboards... "Wow, he's a musician also? Great, we have a lot in common!"

                  I tried to strike a conversation with him... He wasn't too talkative.

                  At the time, I took it as a sign that he was snubbing me — whereas, in fact, he was introspective.

                  Don't go by the David that you see today.

                  In those days, you'd be lucky to get a word out of him for days... (I love you David... but this is for posterity!)

                  Anyway, I was sitting behind him and ... I was fuming... I thought "Oh, you think you're better than I, huh? I'll show you... I'll gain your respect...mumble mumble mumble"

                  I put my best plastic smile on and said to him "David, do you like flying?"

                  I mean.. come on... I was desperate... I was a pilot... why not...

                  That same evening, I took David up in a Cessna 172, for his first ever night flight around Manhattan.

                  I still remember that a little bit of snow began to fall, as I was taxiing on to the runway... I radioed the tower and said "I am seeing snow flakes, are we suuuure we have VFR conditions?"

                  Tower control replied "Roger. Visibility Unlimited."And so we took off...

                  I distinctly remember David, turning to me, placing his hand on my right arm as I was opening the throttle, and saying "You know I trust you with my life, don't you?"

                  The flight was amazing. We flew down the Hudson at 1200 feet, the ceiling was low and it was overcast. The result was something out of a science fiction movie. All the light from Manhattan was being reflected by the the ceiling of clouds...

                  Anyway, David was so thankful and inspired by this journey that he became my regular "Co-pilot." and that suited me just fine because he would always offer to share in the cost of renting the airplane.

                  I have the exact date when I told David about Doctor Dahesh... I'll have to check my log book... In any case, on the afternoon of that day, a Daheshist was saying to me "who knows, maybe David will become a Daheshist."

                  The first thing out of my mouth was "Oh no! I'm not losing this one! Everyone that I befriended and to whom I thought I could reveal my "secret" ended up distancing themselves from me. David shares in the flying costs and I am not going to ruin THAT!" (This is, I swear, a true story).

                  That evening, David asked me if we can take along a third party. I said sure and suggest that she meets us at the airport instead of us picking her up.

                  I pick David up in my 5.7 liter Pontiac Bonneville Stationwagon (I love saying that) and off we went.

                  Everything was going great until David ruined the moment and ... out of the blue... due to Heaven knows what trip he was on... he asks me the following question, as we get on the Merit Parkway"

                  "Mario, do you believe in God?"

                  I thought "Oh no... whaddahell are you doin'..."

                  I thought for a while and replied "Yes, but you know, my idea of God is a little bit peculiar..." and I fumbled around, hoping he'd quit...

                  Then, he shot me with "I believe that Christ returned and is living among us..."

                  "What?! Where is this coming from?!" I thought...

                  Then, that quiet man, started explaining to me his thinking and giving me, point by point, why he thinks Jesus Christ returned...

                  I resisted, and resisted, and resisted... I was starting to feel an ice cold feeling down my spine.

                  Then he added "He probably came like a thief in the night. See, everyone is waiting for this grandiose entry...No, I think it is far more subtle than that..."

                  By now, I have had it... To (forgive me David) shut him up and de-stress myself (lest we forget, I was due to pilot an airplane with passengers) I said these words to him:

                  "David, Jesus returned, I knew him, I even lived with him. But he's gone now."

                  David replies "I believe you..."

                  The lady ended up being late for about an hour... Which gave time for David and I to talk. Well, he was shooting questions at me (man, could he talk when he felt like it!) and I was supplying the answers...

                  The lady shows up for the night flight which went according to plan and without a hitch.

                  On the way back, David and I talked some more.

                  The next day, I figured, for sure, I am never going to hear from him again.

                  Wrong...

                  For the next 10 years, he an I were practically inseparable.
                  "Fail, to succeed."

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Erwin View Post
                    Back to Ron's comments on "The Prophet" i am sure that if i had to have the same personal experience with Dr.Dahesh i would have believed the same as you Mario and maybe even more, but one question are there any new believers coming into the Dahesh faith and taking up the Dahesh message that have not had any personal experience with the Doctor?

                    Would be interesting to know.....
                    Erwin:

                    It is good to see you are still following Daheshville.

                    In the limited reading I have been able to do since I don't read Arabic, the one thing that stuck was I believe a summation of something Dr Dahesh said, it takes twenty years to make a Daheshist.

                    I have only been considering this new information for less than a year. What I see in this information Dr Dahesh gave us is a better understanding of reincarnation, spiritual purification, prayer, motivation to reevaluate the bible, etc. I am rediscovering many things with my new perspectives.

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                    • #11
                      Thanks Ron i always try to pop in and check out the discussions going around...

                      When someone is looking for a "Truth" or a "Purpose" (whatever u wanna name it) it cant be limited to a time frame, whether its 10, 20 or 50 years, searching for the light is a never ending process of learning and discovering our Creater and His Divine plan of salvation, i dont think that you reach a point and everything will be crystal clear when u say AHA!! i go it!, and of my limited knowledge of the Dahesh faith that goes for it as well..

                      Back to the subject of conversion, i liked Mario's story regarding his friend, but again i have another remark that i cant help but to mention: Will the Dahesh faith just disappear in a decade or 2 when all the people who lived and interacted with the Doctor pass away? And remain for the history books?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Erwin View Post
                        When someone is looking for a "Truth" or a "Purpose" (whatever u wanna name it) it cant be limited to a time frame, whether its 10, 20 or 50 years, searching for the light is a never ending process of learning and discovering our Creater and His Divine plan of salvation, i dont think that you reach a point and everything will be crystal clear when u say AHA!! i go it!, and of my limited knowledge of the Dahesh faith that goes for it as well..
                        Hello Erwin,

                        Beautifully said ... I totally agree with you ...


                        Originally posted by Erwin View Post

                        Back to the subject of conversion, i liked Mario's story regarding his friend, but again i have another remark that i cant help but to mention: Will the Dahesh faith just disappear in a decade or 2 when all the people who lived and interacted with the Doctor pass away? And remain for the history books?
                        Thank you for bringing up this fundamental question Erwin …

                        I once heard a Brother saying (not sure if he heard it from The Doctor) : "The Daheshist Mission is A Divine Will …"

                        So no matter what "we" humble human beings - who have known The Doctor or who became Daheshist after his departure – do or not, our Faith should survive and should live its own life because that’s The Way God wants it to be …

                        The Doctor has written so many books which are not yet all published and translated ... we can easily imagine that it was not for his own posterity …

                        We also pray and would hope that Daheshville could be a useful part of The Daheshist Archives : we wish that all the testimonies we have here will be a good source of practical information and will offer a clear idea of how a Daheshist thinks and how he/she deals with the many challenges of "The real life"…

                        As you’ve seen Erwin, that’s why we always call brothers and sisters to participate here because we think this is important for the generations to come …

                        Indeed, those who did live near The Doctor should not depart this life burying their memories forever …

                        My Father once discovered a Spiritual Missive which miraculously appeared in his closet, in which it was required from him to talk about his Faith …

                        I know that many others received this kind of spiritual advices as well …

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Erwin View Post
                          Back to the subject of conversion, i liked Mario's story regarding his friend, but again i have another remark that i cant help but to mention: Will the Dahesh faith just disappear in a decade or 2 when all the people who lived and interacted with the Doctor pass away? And remain for the history books?
                          Thanks Erwin.

                          In all candor, I've often asked myself the same thing.

                          The only "fact" I have to rely upon is that the Doctor said to me "Do you know, sir, we're going to have a Temple?"

                          I once had the privilege of staying, alone, with Dr. Dahesh, three weeks on end alone. Once, after he performed a miracle, he said to me, " I wonder if Reagan would give us a piece of land on which we could build our city."

                          I didn't say anything, and as I was leaving the bedroom, thinking "yeah, sure, as if that [Reagan giving us a piece of land] would ever happen"

                          That's when the Doctor, still working away at his desk, his back turned to me as I was leaving the room, said with a calm and composed but very confident voice "Inta 3Aref ya Ustaz inno rah iseer 3endana Ma3bad?" (The Arabic Equivalent)

                          One can never tell... Let's take the Internet for example. Who knew it will come along and give so much power to the otherwise powerless?
                          "Fail, to succeed."

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Sandrine View Post
                            The Doctor has written so many books which are not yet all published and translated ... we can easily imagine that it was not for his own posterity …
                            Sandrine makes a great point here... the "movement" of talking about Dr. Dahesh the prophet publicly and openly, 23 years after his death is sadly really only in its infancy.

                            In our minds, there was a plan of structure in place; a hierarchy if you will of command to "organize" and "orchestrate" the Daheshists from that point on in 1984. Again, sadly, things were done only a certain way by an elite few and now there is no real organization to turn to.

                            I have read all the published articles I can Google by various reporters and almost without exception, they are all suspect of the vague and diverting information they are given by these few people who have been "left in charge" of the Daheshist Mission. Many of these articles are outrightly painful to read. The reporters, trying to get the scoop on who Dr. Dahesh really was and what the "trustees" felt was his value to them, almost without exception get the run around. One reporter, James Panero, looking for information at the Dahesh Museum and trying to get some information on who Dr. Dahesh was, is left waiting by a staff member who disappears, then comes back with a piece of paper for him to leave his name and number but in the meantime is told to contact the The Dahesh Publishing Company. He does just that, and again the "receptionist" leaves and comes back, telling him that yes there are books published that Dr. Dahesh wrote, but none of them are in English yet, but check out the Dahesh Museum (now since closed) in the meantime, and that "they have no more information for you here". Thank you, good bye... (<--- my words, but conveying Panero's implication of his quest.) This article of his was published in 2003, 19 years after Dr. Dahesh's death.

                            In sarcasm, Panero writes his article about "Dr. Wonder"... I cannot believe the way the PR of the "Mission" has been handled in the past to 1)Not have the foresight to see that PEOPLE ARE NOT STUPID and if left to obscure, obtuse or NON-information, will come up with THEIR OWN CONCLUSIONS and 2)That upon the release of such an article because due to the negligence presented in statement 1, nothing was issued by the Dahesh Museum or Publishing Company to debate what was said or to question the tone with how it was written... NOTHING! And by not DEBATING what was said, to the reader, well then, what was written must all be true... in tone and in content. These things do not just go away...

                            As has been stated here in Daheshville over and over... the only real statement issued at one time regarding Dr. Dahesh, and not even in defense of anything was that... "... no he was not a prophet, but he must have been very charismatic..." I am sorry to say, but these words absolutely burn in my head...

                            I know there is a group of Daheshists around the trustees.... I have met some of them. I knew some of them to be of strong "lion like" character and extremely knowledgeable and educated.... I have not read any follow up from these people in defense of this image being projected (or worse yet, of the true reality being concealed)... and this saddens me beyond measure.

                            I can only speak from what I have observed from the "outside". I am sad, I am hurt, and yes, I am angry... not angry in an aggressive, unhealthy way, but angry in a supremely frustrated sort of way... I cannot imagine a single, logical or plausible scenario that would dictate that any of this sort of thing is just "ok"...

                            So yes, I have to imagine that as Sandrine said, the books of Dr. Dahesh, Dr. Dahesh the Prophet, Dr. Dahesh, OUR prophet, when published in English, will usher in another wave of awakening spirits here in the United States. My question still remains though, why has this not happened yet in the past 23 years? Why was so much effort put in to attractive salon marketing schemes of exotic collectibles at a museum gift shop that used to bear the name of Dr. Dahesh? Yet his books in English did not exist to be sold there? ... but attractive neck ties did?
                            Last edited by Johnson; 11-29-2007, 01:38 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Mario View Post

                              The only "fact" I have to rely upon is that the Doctor said to me [I]"Do you know, sir, we're going to have a Temple?"

                              " I wonder if Reagan would give us a piece of land on which we could build our city."
                              In my very Mormon mind, and probably in Winged Paladin's as well, probably the two most exciting remarks Dahesh made to you, Mario. The remark about the Temple especially. One of the things of which Mormons are supposed to be aware is that even our founding prophet did not get all the revelations that had been given in the past...waiting to be discovered anew. Dr. Dahesh, with those two remarks has given Daheshists a very big homework assignment...one that I am satisfied promises to tie the dispensations of human history together in a way that the Cambridge school of patternists and Campbell barely had to time to scratch the surface of.
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