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  • Thank you Dahesh Museum (Part "deux")

    Please log on to you tube (if you have broadband) and ponder this pathetic segment...

    Why pathetic?...

    It is pathetic because, once again, the museum says "Doctor Dahesh was a writer and philospher..." and gives such a distorted version of what truly happened. No mention of what he went through in order to gather that wonderful collection... They made it sound as if he was simply having a ball...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYtdrzvsYEs.

    This aired on November 2006.

    Anyone seeing this, and who considers him or herself a Daheshist, and who can come up with a reason for such a blaitant a widespread attempt to conceal the truth... please speak out!

    For the record, in my last book that is being distributed worldwide, I proudly paid homage to Doctor Dahesh, as my "Beloved Guiding Prophet."

    Any Daheshist who is afraid of being ridiculed for what they believe (an understandable emotion) should remember that, sometimes, "sacrifice" is not achieved through grand gestures... It's the little things that count.

    Just like a seed... So little, so insignificant, yet, grows into an oak tree, and provides shelter from the sun, and a home to many of God's little creatures, as well as the occasional tree house...
    "Fail, to succeed."

  • #2
    words never change facts

    Dear brother Mario,

    Thanks to share us this nice video,

    And what ever they said about him, that doesn’t change the facts, we know who he was, and who he is, and who will be.

    In the same time may be they have their own reasons, and Mrs. Lisa small may be ignorant his fact.

    Words never change facts.

    Any way the days will be shown up his real ID.

    Best regards,

    Hussein.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Hussein View Post
      In the same time may be they have their own reasons, and Mrs. Lisa small may be ignorant his fact.

      Words never change facts.
      Dear Brother Hussein,

      Thank you for sharing your thoughts on the matter.

      Firstly: no organization should allow an ignorant person to speak on its behalf.

      Secondly:

      If I had a dime for each "maybe they have theirs reasons" or "harm will come" ("Biseer Darar") I heard over the years, my cash flow would increase drammatically.

      What "good" or "appropriate" reason might one have to go on record and pretend, for years, that Doctor Dahesh is a philosopher and had nothing to do with Daheshism?

      Here is the interesting part: those same people—the architects— behind this conspiracy (yes, I call it a "conspiracy") were, and for years, passionnate about saying to the world that Doctor Dahesh was a prophet.

      These are the same people that sat and watched me give a lecture on Daheshism (with David) and began to shoot questions at me in order to FORCE me to talk about MIRACLES (because, during the lecture, I said "Miracles" are not important. To be fair,you have to see the VIDEO they taped of the lecture—and I have a photograph that shows me with one of them, standing next to the slide projector)

      Why, between 1984 and Juuuuust before the Museum Opened, Dahesh was a prophet, then this sudden shift?

      Yes, of course, they HAVE their reasons.

      The question is: are they the RIGHT reasons.

      For years, they said "don't say anything, people will think we are a cult!"

      Well, and unfortunately, their policy of "don't answer, don't tell" CAUSED the media to refer to Daheshism as a cult.

      The reason I say that is because when you read the articles about the Doctor, you notice a LACK of continuity. That is proof positive that the reporters did NOT believe the Museum and began INVENTING.

      Is that BETTER?

      The more they hide, the more people will get suspicious... as well as become CREATIVE and begin inventing things as well as destorting the facts.

      And, that is WHY we have Daheshville, and that HOW we are going to BEGIN remedying the situation (because Daheshville alone is not the solution, rather, the catalyst for participation, dialogue, discussion, etc., all of which would be a reflection of a healthy "society." For Heaven's sake, even Dahesh ASKED people's opinion and often followed their advice!)

      So, you "Daheshists" out there who think we're an evil place (I am referring to the message of hate I received from one of you)... Look at it this way:

      You can either choose THEIR method or OUR method.

      If you choose THEIR method, I pray to God you're right...

      Mario
      Last edited by Daheshville; 11-30-2006, 09:52 AM.
      "Fail, to succeed."

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      • #4
        Dear brother Mario,

        We can not give our opinions just in the bad way, may be the good words will be effective more than the ironic words. And if it’s not effect with them, may it will be effective on the others minds, who is not a part of the confliction.

        I think who is living in U.S.A, become similar, as their president. I’m still Lebanese even I’m living in China, Mr. Bush, the American president said after the Sep 11:"who is not with us he is against us", and now you say the same, and sure this is not acceptable for me and may be for a lot of Daheshists or none Daheshists. If you are not with our method, so with their method, what is yours? And what is theirs?

        Even they don’t accept any objection, or they don’t accept the others mind or even to share with them any thing.

        Isn’t it there any third part? which says: I’m with the good work who ever did it? I’m with any thing it may help the publishing of Daheshism, what ever it is,

        Let us look to their well done, and your well done , and the others well done, so may the problems becoming less.

        We are not completely good, and every one has his own low Sayyals. and no one is better than the other except in his well done. Aren’t we on the earth planet?

        Let us find the excuses for each others, may make the things easier.

        About hired an ignorant people, who knows their reasons, not may because of our different minds, or may be in this way they will control every thing, or let us say:" may be they like the power" .I said may be, who knows? Or may be this is making our problems less, and may be will not fight with each other for some reasons, don’t you think that’s may be better for us.

        And also by the way, as every one is responsible about his Sayyals, he is responsible about his done, and you and me and every one of the Daheshists is doing his own mind, so why you have to forbid them to do their minds even may be its not right 100% as the Beloved recommended.

        Sure if we are together, working together, May the publishing will be much better and much easier and correctly. But while we are not, and that’s not available nowadays, everyone is doing what he thinks its right and helps the publishing. And may be all of us are mistaken. So it's better to stop judging each others if they are not doing what we think it’s right, and leave God and our Beloved Prophet Judging all of us. Even we haven’t the right to say you are right or not,

        Our Sayyals getting up and getting down continuously, so it’s not strange to find me or even yourself or every one to change his mind or his way from day to other.

        What is conspiracy you are talking about? Are they looking to be the king? What you are giving them? Do they need your help?
        Why you think that every thing by force, who is forcing you? And why? And are you an instrument by the others hand to be forced or not? What about if they forcing you to make some thing bad? Are you going to do? Good, really good. We are Daheshists, and we never accept forcing.

        You said the miracles are not important, and I say the miracles are not important too, it’s some thing to approve the instruction and the principles, and these are the most important.


        When they said: don’t say anything, people will think us a cult, why did you listen to them? Where has been your mind, are you a blind follower? Sorry, I’m not meaning to make you upset. Just I have no other word now.

        Their policy of "don't answer, don't tell" CAUSED the media to refer to Daheshism as a cult.

        What do you think about the media in the devil Beshara al-khoury time? Did the Beloved Prophet didn’t say, and didn’t answer? And what did they say about him and Daheshism? Let us see the facts properly. Let us work to make the media say what we like to make them say.

        They hide or they not, it’s not our business. let us not to be hidden, let us show the people who are the Daheshist, and the Daheshism and Dr Dahesh.

        No body said the Daheshville is the solution, nor Daheshisme .org, or Dahesh .com or Daheshism.org or even the museum or the library itself. For that every thing is completing the other. Even the instruction itself needs explanations or will be misunderstood.

        The catalyst for participation, dialogue, discussion, etc., all of which would be a reflection of a healthy "society."

        Yes you are right, but while we are not a community or a society, while we are looking for each other as the” out of law” so how we can share each others opinions?

        We need to be one in every thing, and not looking to be a boss and a slave. so we can do what no one could.

        So, you "Daheshists" out there who think we're an evil place (I am referring to the message of hate I received from one of you)... Look at it this way:
        Where did I say: I hate you or any of the Daheshists?

        You can either choose THEIR method or OUR method.

        If you choose THEIR method, I pray to God you're right...


        Isn’t it there another choice, or to be with you or them? I’m not with you and not with them, I’m Daheshist belong to the Daheshism and our beloved Prophet.

        About may word “I hate”, it’s better to read it again, and show me where I hate. And please tell me where I said that you or Daheshville it's an evil place?

        By the way, I'm not defending any one.

        I hate America,
        It’s a whore speaking about the honor, speaking about something and doing something else, it’s trying to force the others to except what does think its right, and no body knows.
        A drunken president and a bloody administration around him, all of them are thirsty for blood, they are trying to kill anyone, even the children and the women to take the others Benevolent, and it’s a new Colonization in beautiful names.
        I hate America because it has the blind vision, it weights in different scales, it supports the killer and forced the victims, it enjoys the others pains, it dances on the children cry, it laughs for the woman Mourns her husband, it looks careless for a sister Buring her lonely brother,
        They are looking for the freedom as a holy thing, their freedom, not the others. And they care about the human rights, not the others rights. Because the others are not humans.They think themselves are better than the others, and what is accepted for them is forbidden for the others. They think themselves are above the law.
        America are not fair, and it will pay for its injustice.
        There is God, and observe what they are doing.

        I hate Lebanon,
        They make the worse with an innocent person, accused for no reason, jailed with no court, tortured without a judge, striped of his nationality without any scared, exiled far away without any defense upon himself. Executed without their eyes glimpse by the others as no one will ask for him.
        A mule president, guided by a dissolute whore, with a mute and deaf people made that, so we have to pay for that,
        I hate Lebanon, because it’s not a country, it’s just some peoples are collected, it’s not a mind or brain, it’s a hands, even this hand it’s not belong to them, just do what the others want,
        I hate Lebanon, because it can not protect it’s people, it’s the weakest country in the world.
        God, please delete this country of the existence map.
        Why not?


        Best regards,
        Hussein.
        Last edited by Hussein; 12-01-2006, 12:50 AM.

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        • #5
          I was NOT referring to you Hussein!

          Hussein, I was NOT talking about you!

          I wish you would take a couple of deep breaths before replying next time...

          Don't you remember the person who sent me the following message of hate?:

          "Tell Mario that Everyone thinks that Mario is crazy, and that anybody who comes in contact with him or with Daheshville, will have their spiritual fluids degenerate. Also, what he is saying will dissuade certain peoples, such as devout catholics, from entering Daheshism, therefore he is hurting Daheshism."

          This is, by definition, a "message of hate" or "a hateful message". Are we clear?

          Are we also clear that I was not talking about you?

          Oh, and by the way, that same person (who, again, and for the time being, I will not name) recently emailed me... Here is an excerpt:

          "As to the mission, I am puzzled and amazed! Common sense dictates that the person entrusted by the Spirit and the Beloved with the spread of Daheshism and the laying down of the Daheshist teachings (not interpretations) be helped and respected. Common sense also dictates unity and not isolationism. No wonder why Daheshism can’t get off the ground! Yet, I have my path and you have yours."

          Now, he is claiming to be THE person Entrusted by the Spirit and the Doctor to Spread Daheshism...

          He didn't say "A person"... but "THE person..."

          And, Hussein, regardless of how beautiful the Dahesh Museum is, or what wonderful acts it is doing... all great things I am sure... all of it is meaningless in view of the fact that it is distorting the truth about the Doctor.

          I will never change my position. I don't care how great, how big, how wonderful, etc. They defaced our prophet's image.

          If you take the time and study the museum propaganda, you'll see very little about the Doctor. "He was a writer and a philosopher. He had a dream of creating a museum... there was the civil war... he sold the collection... " (I basically summed up the stories I've seen to date.

          This propaganda is being diffused by DAHESHISTS. They own the museum, they are the bosses, they can do whatever they want... they chose THAT path. Why, I don't know... But it will be a cold day in hell if I am going to cease mentioning it everytime I run into another piece of propaganda that, once again, perpetuates the lie.

          Yes, I said "lie" as in "not the truth."
          So, I vote "Thumbs down." The only way out of this is a retraction and an opology on behalf of the Museum.


          Regards,

          Mario
          Last edited by Daheshville; 12-01-2006, 03:05 PM.
          "Fail, to succeed."

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Hussein View Post
            Dear brother Mario,
            I think who is living in U.S.A, become similar, as their president. I’m still Lebanese even I’m living in China, Mr. Bush, the American president said after the Sep 11:"who is not with us he is against us", and now you say the same, and sure this is not acceptable for me and may be for a lot of Daheshists or none Daheshists. If you are not with our method, so with their method, what is yours? And what is theirs?

            .....
            About may word “I hate”, it’s better to read it again, and show me where I hate. And please tell me where I said that you or Daheshville it's an evil place?

            By the way, I'm not defending any one.

            [B]I hate America.....
            I hate Lebanon ...............
            God, please delete this country of the existence map.
            Why not?
            Hussein.

            Hussein ... what's your point? ... why posting this again ?

            Do you think these words can inspire love and fraternity?

            Let me tell you that I do not agree at all with your statements.

            I am just wondering how could such words encourage Peace ?

            We all need to practice what we preach don't we ?

            So please, take care My Brother ...

            Sandrine
            Last edited by Sandrine; 12-01-2006, 10:14 AM.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Hussein View Post
              Dear brother Mario,

              We can not give our opinions just in the bad way, may be the good words will be effective more than the ironic words. And if it’s not effect with them, may it will be effective on the others minds, who is not a part of the confliction.
              OK, assuming that my way is "bad"... here is the version without "ironic words" :

              "Dear Citizens of the world, athough I love the owners of the Dahesh Museum, and for as much as I would love to follow them without asking them why they have done so, my conscience, as well as logical thinking, will not allow me to join them in the manner in which they have been depicting Doctor Dahesh. Nor will I accept that they have good reasons to do so.

              Furthermore, Citizens of the world, I urge you to register and log on to the MEMBERS ONLY section and acquaint yourself with 'INNOCENT in CHAINS: the notes' and to read it (at the very least Part One), after which it will become evident to you what Doctor Dahesh has endured in order for you to be able to enjoy visiting the Museum and Eat at Cafe Opaline, and how unfair it is that any organization that uses his name dares not pay homage to his struggle.


              Best Regards,

              Mario"

              Last edited by Mario; 12-01-2006, 09:42 AM.
              "Fail, to succeed."

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Hussein View Post
                Dear brother Mario,

                When they said: don’t say anything, people will think us a cult, why did you listen to them?
                Where on Earth did I give you the impression I listened to them?

                Mario
                "Fail, to succeed."

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                • #9
                  "We can not give our opinions just in the bad way, may be the good words will be effective more than the ironic words. And if it’s not effect with them, may it will be effective on the others minds, who is not a part of the confliction."

                  I responded to that comment in the response above.

                  I think who is living in U.S.A, become similar, as their president. I’m still Lebanese even I’m living in China, Mr. Bush, the American president said after the Sep 11:"who is not with us he is against us", and now you say the same, and sure this is not acceptable for me and may be for a lot of Daheshists or none Daheshists. If you are not with our method, so with their method, what is yours? And what is theirs?

                  I never said that. You often manage to misunderstand or misquote me.

                  We are merely trying to send the message (passively, might I add) that anyone who has an opposing view than that of the Museum owners is not committing blasphemy. Do I need to expand on this? Remember what you told me about "Dirty Laundry."

                  On the other hand, and being that today marks over 22 years since the departure of the Doctor, we're at the point we cannot keep quiet and be held hostage for fear of exposing our dirty laundry.

                  Enough is enough.

                  Even they don’t accept any objection, or they don’t accept the others mind or even to share with them any thing.

                  I am sorry, I don't understand your meaning... Please clearify.

                  Isn’t it there any third part? which says: I’m with the good work who ever did it? I’m with any thing it may help the publishing of Daheshism, what ever it is, Let us look to their well done, and your well done , and the others well done, so may the problems becoming less.

                  So what you are saying is "the end justifies the means" ?

                  But, let's assume that this motto is acceptable: how, then, are their actions helping the "publishing of Daheshim?"

                  Can anybody buy books?
                  Where are the conferences?
                  Where are the book fairs?

                  Or has this become a private and exclusive "club" that only the "worthy" can enter?

                  One can argue "It is their right. They can do anything they want."

                  True... I'll even go further and say, they can BURN the museum in their backyard if that's what they want to do, and I will fight for their right to do so.

                  But when it comes to saying things that affect the image of the Doctor... I am sorry... There is no debate.

                  Lastly, is Daheshism something that we can simply learn by publishing it?


                  We are not completely good, and every one has his own low Sayyals. and no one is better than the other except in his well done. Aren’t we on the earth planet? Let us find the excuses for each others, may make the things easier.

                  What you are saying is theoretically correct. But, when an organization does not even reply to your letters or have a forum for debate, it become a "Tyrant." In other words: no debate, no questions asked, no room for discussion, take it or leave it.

                  And you know what the Doctor wrote with regards to our duty when there is a tyrant. He said to expose and oppose the tyrant WHEN HE IS IN POWER and not when he is stripped of his powers, for THAT WOULD BE COWARLDY. (I am paraphrasing, but I am sure you'll agree that I was correct in my interpretation).

                  About hired an ignorant people, who knows their reasons, not may because of our different minds, or may be in this way they will control every thing, or let us say:" may be they like the power" .I said may be, who knows? Or may be this is making our problems less, and may be will not fight with each other for some reasons, don’t you think that’s may be better for us.

                  If you read my reply above, you'll then understand that when you are dealing with a member of your "own family" (to use that metaphor) and that member becomes a Tyrant and leaves no room for discussion, debate, etc., and bases their actions on some (so called) directives given to them by either "the spirit" or "the Beloved," the only way out is "opposition"

                  If you love him, you would oppose him or her or them.

                  Hussein, do you really think I enjoy this?

                  And who says "opposition" has to be "violent."

                  A non-violent opposition is one were we do what our conscience tells us we should do, without letting hate or anger take us over.

                  Let me give you an example, and since we're talking about "conspiracy":

                  For example, remember that incident with Ghazi Brax in the beginning of October on Daheshville?

                  Well, what if I told you that I was FIRED from my job and as Vice President right after?
                  And, I wasn't fired via a letter. That message came to me through the same friend who relayed to me the "message" regarding Daheshville.

                  And, on October 4th, and without my knowlege, I am removed from the Board of Directors and another person is named in my place.

                  The change was official on October 6, 2006. I only learned about it a couple of days ago...

                  That's all I am going to say regarding this issue—for now. And, I am not saying there is a link. I am just reporting the news.

                  Sure if we are together, working together, May the publishing will be much better and much easier and correctly. But while we are not, and that’s not available nowadays, everyone is doing what he thinks its right and helps the publishing. And may be all of us are mistaken. So it's better to stop judging each others if they are not doing what we think it’s right, and leave God and our Beloved Prophet Judging all of us. Even we haven’t the right to say you are right or not,

                  Show me ONE place Hussein where I judged the person. I am judging the action. And since their actions included going on record saying that Daheshim does not exist... Need I continue with this train of thought?

                  Our Sayyals getting up and getting down continuously, so it’s not strange to find me or even yourself or every one to change his mind or his way from day to other.

                  But what if changing my mind or my way causes harm to the cause, then what?

                  What is conspiracy you are talking about? Are they looking to be the king? What you are giving them? Do they need your help?
                  Why you think that every thing by force, who is forcing you? And why? And are you an instrument by the others hand to be forced or not? What about if they forcing you to make some thing bad? Are you going to do? Good, really good. We are Daheshists, and we never accept forcing.


                  Well, I've explained to you that I was recently fired then removed from the board of directors. But, the Museum has nothing to do with that. As for my story with the Museum, in response to you, a long time ago...I am not sure you read it...

                  http://www.daheshville.com/forum/sho...hp?t=62&page=2


                  When they said: don’t say anything, people will think us a cult, why did you listen to them? Where has been your mind, are you a blind follower? Sorry, I’m not meaning to make you upset. Just I have no other word now.

                  Where did you get the idea I listened to them? I am referring what they have said to OTHERS.

                  OTHERS have BLINDLY followed them, and thank you. You know why? By saying what you just said, you just proved to me that we HAVE to wake up those who BLINDLY follow them.


                  Their policy of "don't answer, don't tell" CAUSED the media to refer to Daheshism as a cult.


                  What do you think about the media in the devil Beshara al-khoury time? Did the Beloved Prophet didn’t say, and didn’t answer? And what did they say about him and Daheshism? Let us see the facts properly. Let us work to make the media say what we like to make them say.

                  I fail to see how that has to do with any of what I said. I obviously am against Bechara Al Khoury and against everything that has been said and done. In case you have not noticed, I've been publishing "INNOCENT in CHAINS: the Notes" ...

                  And, we cannot make the media say what we like... The media will say what the media wants to say—unless, you buy the media. BUT THAT WOULD BE WRONG.

                  They hide or they not, it’s not our business. let us not to be hidden, let us show the people who are the Daheshist, and the Daheshism and Dr Dahesh.

                  You're right. Let them hide, that is their choice and right. But what right do they have to speak on OUR behalf and make us come across as liars?
                  Go to Dahesh.org and read their statement please.


                  No body said the Daheshville is the solution, nor Daheshisme .org, or Dahesh .com or Daheshism.org or even the museum or the library itself. For that every thing is completing the other. Even the instruction itself needs explanations or will be misunderstood.

                  Accurate but not relevant to our debate.

                  The catalyst for participation, dialogue, discussion, etc., all of which would be a reflection of a healthy "society."


                  Yes you are right, but while we are not a community or a society, while we are looking for each other as the” out of law” so how we can share each others opinions?


                  I don't understand what you are saying. Please clarify.


                  So, you "Daheshists" out there who think we're an evil place (I am referring to the message of hate I received from one of you)... Look at it this way:
                  Where did I say: I hate you or any of the Daheshists?

                  You can either choose THEIR method or OUR method.

                  If you choose THEIR method, I pray to God you're right...


                  Isn’t it there another choice, or to be with you or them? I’m not with you and not with them, I’m Daheshist belong to the Daheshism and our beloved Prophet.


                  Once again, you're not reading me correctly. I am NOT saying BE WITH US or BE WITH THEM. I am not talking about loyatlies. I am talking about the METHOD.

                  And, no, HUSSEIN, since you really want to know, there IS no third choice.

                  EITHER, you agree that publicly Denying Daheshim is OK, or you DON't.

                  And, sometimes, my dear Hussein, a self-proclaimed Daheshist will have to choose between losing a job, his salary, his pension, than risk following the wrong path.

                  Go read what Jesus wrote. "Be either hot or cold, but not lukewarm."

                  Some areas require that we take a PEACEFUL yet RADICAL position.

                  When I was a child, I was always sick and weak. One time, a bully kidnapped me (literally) to a corner of the neighborhood and proceeded to punish me physically. I could not defend myself, nor hit him back.

                  But, I never begged for mercy or showed him I was afraid.

                  He kept at it for at least the whole afternoon. We were right in front of the YWCA (in Beirut). I will never forget it. Finally, he was so exhausted, he let me go.

                  About may word “I hate”, it’s better to read it again, and show me where I hate. And please tell me where I said that you or Daheshville it's an evil place?

                  I wasnt' referring to you. You never SENT me a message of hate. Have you? No. So what on Earth would posess you to think I meant you?

                  Regards,

                  Mario
                  Last edited by Mario; 12-02-2006, 07:09 PM.
                  "Fail, to succeed."

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                  • #10
                    Dear brothers and sisters,
                    Just I would like to mention that I’m not defending or attacking any one. I’m trying just to give my opinion, neither more nor less.

                    And I have to acknowledge that sometimes I misunderstanding the meaning of some words or sentences, because of the English language is not my home language.

                    So I feel sorry for that, and really so sorry.

                    But I would like to say my view point as I see it. And it’s not against anyone, who ever he is. And I’m not asking anyone of Daheshists or none Daheshist to accept it or not. Every one has his own free will.

                    Daheshism is not belong to any one, except who create the Daheshism it self.

                    Daheshism is not a material treasure to be for some people, it’s a spiritual treasure, consist of instructions and concepts, and it’s belong to every one may he called himself a Daheshist.

                    All inheritance of Dr. Dahesh is belong to the Daheshism, under control the people he already choose, not for them, and every Daheshist has the right to use them for publishing, if he doesn’t aim to make any personal goals of it. Or any damages.

                    Every thing was belong to Dr. Dahesh is still belong to him. And no one has the right to sell any of his property for a personal benefit, even the people who has the right to control that.

                    Dr. Dahesh didn’t look to make money from his books, or his museum, and that when he was between us, so what about now?
                    We haven’t the right to make business from his name, or a fame of that.

                    Publishing the Daheshism is a responsibility of the whole Daheshists, and everyone can do that by his own way, while we have no committee with a working plan. And that will be on his responsibility. And every one works for that should be assist. Unless he hurts the Daheshism.

                    All the money which any Daheshist paid some how in the way of publishing the Daheshism, or assisting brothers for any reason, it’s not ours. It’s for the Daheshism. For that we haven’t any right to take it back or make prophet of that.

                    And if we would like to find the money to carry on publishing, so it’s better for us to find another business not connecting to Dr. Dahesh name or Daheshism.

                    No one has the right to order or command any of the Daheshists. May be asked in name of the brotherhood, but not in name of the Daheshism, and he has the whole right to agree or refuse.

                    Any objections should be depending on the Beloved Prophet Writings or Sayings. And saying should be attested by six other brothers at least.

                    All of us are brothers and belong to Daheshism, and none of us is better than the other except in his well done.

                    Daheshists should be consulting each others for the best of Daheshism.

                    In Daheshism, there is no elder or younger, no old or new, just in his well done.

                    While we are not working as a group, all the Daheshists can take the individual decision, and they will be responsible for their done. Unless we have the committee of six or twenty Daheshists from the closed brothers who lived with Dr. Dahesh and high educated, with addition to their well done and their wisdom,

                    Only in that case, we will be under their recommendations, and we aren’t going to make any thing before their consulting.

                    Best regards
                    Hussein.S

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                    • #11
                      Unfair ...

                      Originally posted by Hussein View Post
                      Dear brothers and sisters,
                      Just I would like to mention that I’m not defending or attacking any one. I’m trying just to give my opinion, neither more nor less.

                      And I have to acknowledge that sometimes I misunderstanding the meaning of some words or sentences, because of the English language is not my home language.

                      So I feel sorry for that, and really so sorry.
                      .............

                      Any objections should be depending on the Beloved Prophet Writings or Sayings. And saying should be attested by six other brothers at least.

                      All of us are brothers and belong to Daheshism, and none of us is better than the other except in his well done.

                      Daheshists should be consulting each others for the best of Daheshism.

                      In Daheshism, there is no elder or younger, no old or new, just in his well done.
                      Dear Hussein,

                      All I read in your post are : "beautiful Theories" ... quite confusing and unclear ... although, without any pretention, I consider myself to be Dasheshist, I don't understand your points nor the sense of your intervention ... so what would it be for people who do not know about Daheshism ?

                      Being French I can understand what you feel about writing in English. I sometimes feel the same. That’s why, when I am not sure that I could be able to present my thoughts properly, I restraint myself from writing.

                      With all the respect I owe you, I think that once again, you’re not answering to Mario. You follow your own logic without reference to what has been posted.

                      Do you really realize that you’re talking to someone named Mario, who has never been afraid to lose everything he has in order to be loyal to his faith and beliefs ?

                      Please, allow me to recap what’s going own in the "Backstage of Daheshville".

                      As a result of his writings and the way he stands for the truth, Mario has lost his job and his Vice President position.

                      He’s been punished by a so-called brother who was his boss and partner ... why ? ... mainly because this person doesn’t agree with our "manners"...

                      This is what is called: "religious discrimination".

                      Let’s think about what Mario is doing here :

                      - He is trying his best to present Daheshism, exposing clearly and honestly his beliefs ... that are also mine.

                      He presents what he knows, what he has seen and heard.

                      He shares with us his life with The Doctor ... which is an excellent way to learn about Daheshism. Indeed, facts and examples are much more powerful and helpful to understand our faith than "cold theories" often far away from our human preoccupations.

                      As we know, we are still waiting for the Doctor’s books to be published and translated, that’s why in the meantime, we share in the "pages" of Dahesville the very precious documents we have, all we know... and what we’ve understood from our own experiences.

                      - We tell the Truth about Doctor Dahesh who WAS A PROPHET—AND NOT ONLY A WRITER AND CERTAINLY NOT A PHILOSOPHER ... Daheshists may perhaps engage in philosophizing ... but NOT a PROPHET.

                      That’s why we think that this video on "YouTube" is simply A SHAME!

                      I don’t think that focusing on the gift store and The Opaline Café of the Dahesh Museum pays the due tribute to The Doctor’s life ...

                      All this his is really unfair ...

                      Sandrine
                      Last edited by Sandrine; 12-03-2006, 03:35 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Dear Sandrine,

                        How it‘s a "beautiful Theories" ... and quite confusing and unclear..

                        What is the Quite confusing and unclear?

                        In my post, I’m just trying to show how do I think, and how I’m doing. Neither more nor less. And sure I’m not asking any one to do that.

                        You said:” You follow your own logic without reference to what has been posted”.

                        Some times, I have no time to reply, and some other times when some one is posting some thing, so I post my mind, but not to argue with any one. I don’t like to argue, because it will not help at all.

                        “Do you really realize that you’re talking to someone named Mario, who has never been afraid to lose everything he has in order to be loyal to his faith and beliefs”?

                        When I post something, means I’m talking with everyone in the name of Mario, But I don’t mean Mario exactly. I know Mario, and really I know how does he think, and may be we have too much things common.

                        As a result of his writings and the way he stands for the truth, Mario has lost his job and his Vice President position.

                        He’s been punished by a so-called brother who was his boss and partner ... why? ... Mainly because this person doesn’t agree with our "manners"...

                        This is what is called: "religious discrimination".


                        If Mario has lost his job for that reason, He should be proud for that. And it’s the honor medal fixed on his forehead not on his chest. But in the same time he shouldn’t complain or murmur against. Or he will loose that medal.
                        And if that brother really fired him for this reason, let us forgive him, may be later he will understand what is the brotherhood means. And any way, God and Our Beloved Prophet watching him and us, and every one will pay for his mistakes.
                        The killer of Ali Ben Abi Taleb swears by God and Qura’n to save the Islam of him.
                        What do you think about that?

                        We share in the "pages" of Dahesville the very precious documents we have, all we know... and what we’ve understood from our own experiences.

                        To share us some documents, that good, but if you haven’t, it’s not a big problem.
                        All the Daheshists are trying some how to share some thoughts or concepts with the others. Aren’t these we should do at least?

                        - We tell the Truth about Doctor Dahesh who WAS A PROPHET—AND NOT ONLY A WRITER AND CERTAINLY NOT A PHILOSOPHER ... Daheshists may perhaps engage in philosophizing ... but NOT a PROPHET.

                        Some people say: “he is a Quack”. So if they say: “He is Writer or Philosopher” that’s good. And we say: “He is Our Beloved Prophet”. Leave every one say what do he like. Are we going to fight with every one is calling him what we don’t like?

                        I don’t think that focusing on the gift store and The Opaline Café of the Dahesh Museum pays the due tribute to The Doctor’s life...

                        I agree with you, but it’s their policy.

                        Best regards
                        Hussein.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Hussein View Post
                          If Mario has lost his job for that reason, He should be proud for that. And it’s the honor medal fixed on his forehead not on his chest. But in the same time he shouldn’t complain or murmur against. Or he will loose that medal.
                          I was not complaining.

                          You addressed me using a strong tone and words such as "Where has been your mind, are you a blind follower?" which left me no choice but to reveal a painful and personal experience—thinking, that perhaps, you would understand.

                          My mistake, and from this day forward, I will begin adressing you exactly as you have been addressing me... Starting now:

                          So, here goes... (ahem... I am clearing my throat...) And you, why are you afraid?

                          Are you a man or a mouse?! (How am I doing so far?)

                          (Hold on, there is more...)

                          Take a stand and stick with it. Stop shifting sides and sending mixed messages.

                          We don't care if you agree or disagree with us—or with me.

                          Heaven knows we never ostracized you in the past and I've personally shared with you a lot of my personal thoughts and privileged information in private—which PROVES I trust you—even if I think you're making a big mistake. Just be a man and CHOOSE a position. You can't live inbetween.

                          Oh, and another thing: You're neither a Prophet nor the Spirit. Don't talk about medals. You don't know if I got a medal for what happened. Maybe I deserved what happened and maybe it is my punishment.

                          All this is irrelavant, by the way, because we were discussing "conspiracies."

                          You COULD have shown a shred of kindness and said "oh, I am sorry...hope it all works out." OR "What can I do to help you fight those who want to destroy Daheshville, a place that has a Temple in which I prayed!"

                          Please, go READ some of YOUR posts... And despite YOUR complaining, I believe a few of us gave you emotional support.

                          Sure, only when you found out that everything was intact, you came back and thanked God and the Prophet in the Temple WE made sure you have at your disposal... It would be SO nice for you, for ONCE to say an honest, heartfelt "Thank you."

                          What? Is your EGO that big? Well, let me tell you sir, your ego could never compete with mine, should I decide to inflate it. So, do not ever, again, address me this way.

                          (You like it so far?)

                          Originally posted by Hussein View Post
                          To share us some documents, that good, but if you haven’t, it’s not a big problem. All the Daheshists are trying some how to share some thoughts or concepts with the others. Aren’t these we should do at least?
                          Yeah, but a simple "thank you" every now and then might be a good thing.
                          Whereas, we have, do, and will always thank you for your contributions.

                          Originally posted by Hussein View Post
                          Some people say: “he is a Quack”. So if they say: “He is Writer or Philosopher” that’s good. And we say: “He is Our Beloved Prophet”. Leave every one say what do he like. Are we going to fight with every one is calling him what we don’t like?
                          We are not fighting with anybody. We are just making sure we go on record with our strong and passionate objections. However you look at it, the Museum is sanctioning and projecting the wrong message, starting with
                          this one:

                          "He didn't establish it," (Daheshism) "The fact is, these people (Daheshists), that's what they say. He never proclaimed himself anything, not a prophet, not a reincarnation. He never claimed anything that people are claiming for him. He was born a Christian, and he must have been very charismatic.".
                          Originally posted by Hussein View Post
                          I agree with you, but it’s their policy.
                          If you agree with Sandrine, then you are saying their policy is wrong. But, then again, you are saying it is their right to say what they think should be said.

                          True, it is their right.

                          Personally, I was ostracized for opposing them. You don't have to agree with me or take sides. But I will ask that you abstain from addressing me in the aggressive manner you have exhibited in your reply to me.

                          I will strongly object at any future media announcement on their part that I deem "pathetic" and that is my right. And, if you address me the way you have, I will have no choice but to address you the same way, again... and again... and again... until you CHANGE your pattern.

                          Until then, please enjoy your visits and do continue to share with us your most valuable insight!

                          Regards,

                          Mario

                          PS. One last thing: What are you a lawyer now? No, you're wrong, the Museum and the Doctor's belonging are the property of the MUSEUM and the TRUSTEES and thet have the right to do ANYTHING with them: Sell them, burn them... whatever. Did you read the WILL that the Doctor left? What's that? I can't hear you! Well, until you do, Stop saying that nonesense, please!
                          I already wrote a long letter about it, and evidently, it went in one ear and came out the other! And how on EARTH do YOU know what the Doctor wanted or didn't want? Have you ever spoken to him? Have you lived with him? Have you heard him tell you things pertaining to that issue? I don't think so! So where do YOU get off saying:

                          Dr. Dahesh didn’t look to make money from his books, or his museum

                          You are SO mistaken about that, and you obviously live in this UTOPIA (hey, good for you!) which has NOTHING to do with reality!
                          And, just to show you I learned my lesson, I won't tell you why. I'll wait for you question! HA!
                          Last edited by Daheshville; 12-04-2006, 10:22 PM.
                          "Fail, to succeed."

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                          • #14
                            Dear brother Mario,
                            I think you missedunderstand me, and all what you spoke about it, I didn't mean it.
                            Always i have been appreciate your done, and always I will.
                            You are my brother and always you will be, and if I made you upset some how, Really I didn't aim to do. For that, I'm not going to reply in any bad way. It's not my way.
                            One more thing, I never been afraid of any one, except God. And you can ask for that. especially in talking about the Daheshism or our Beloved Prophet.

                            With my best regards,
                            Hussein.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Hussein View Post
                              Dear brother Mario,
                              I think you missedunderstand me, and all what you spoke about it, I didn't mean it.
                              Always i have been appreciate your done, and always I will.
                              You are my brother and always you will be, and if I made you upset some how, Really I didn't aim to do. For that, I'm not going to reply in any bad way. It's not my way.
                              One more thing, I never been afraid of any one, except God. And you can ask for that. especially in talking about the Daheshism or our Beloved Prophet.

                              With my best regards,
                              Hussein.
                              Dear Brother Hussein,

                              I knew all along you didn't mean it. All I wanted was a simple apology.
                              Now, you have provided it to me. For that, I thank you and I will, in turn, apologize to you.

                              I don't need to ask anyone. I know you are brave.

                              Warmest Regards,

                              Mario
                              "Fail, to succeed."

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