Deciphering the Ramz

[Sonic]

is there anyone who can decipher the Ramz?

1)The beloved guiding prophet-Al Nabiy el habib il hadi ? who is he ? and why he is not called by name ?

2)The sayal il 20

3)The 6 personalities are the prophets + dahesh , right?

4)Why it perosnality 100,200,...?

5)What the star means?have anyone asked the dr this?

6) why it is , in the right of Allah and the beloved guided....and not in the right of Allah alone?

7)The yellow paper

Thank you for help

[Mario]

Sonic writes : is there anyone who can decipher the Ramz?

1)The beloved guiding prophet-Al Nabiy el habib il hadi ? who is he ? and why he is not called by name ?

Mario Writes: Dahesh is the "Beloved Guiding Prophet." As to why he is not referred to as "DAHESH" in the upper part of the "Symbol" is unknown to me. (By the way, Dahesh preferred it when we respected our language... so, I would rather we don't use ARABIC terms when we can use the ENGLISH translation and vice-versa... I mean, why say "SAYYAL" when can say "FLUID" or "RAMZ" when we can "SYMBOL?" I know some Daheshists are popularizing the use of Arabic terms instead of English, perhaps to sound "intellectual" ... But, come on... To a non-Arabic speaking person, "RAMZ" or "GOO GOO GAGA" might as well be the same!
Sonic writes : 2)The sayal il 20

Mario Writes: Re: "The Fluid 20"... Reading directly from Doctor Dahesh's own book (Strange Tales and Wondrous Legends, part 3) we learn that one of CHRIST's FLUIDS —when he (CHRIST) was known as JESUS—had to remain on planet Earth for close to TWENTY CENTURIES ... as for the reasons that had to be, I am not sure I should publish them... Firstly, this book was never distributed, secondly, you might remember what happened on the heels of my repeating what Dahesh told me about the conception of Christ ... I would rather not (for the time being) quote the Doctor... But, I don't see any harm in JUST telling you that there were reasons why FLUID # 20 had to remain on EARTH for about 20 centuries (after the crucifixion) at the end of which that FLUID had to materialize and once again, "carry the cross."
Sonic writes : 3)The 6 personalities are the prophets + dahesh , right?

Mario Writes: No.

According to what Dr. Dahesh wrote in part #3 of Strange Tales and Wondrous Legends he tells of a dream in which he visits the planet of the prophets (this is a long story and I am greatly summarizing here) where in one scene, he sees all the "great" prophets (and he names some of them: "and here was our Lord Christ and he was conversing with Moses and Elijah and Joshua and the prophet Solomon and his father prophet David and Abraham..." he also mentions prophet Daniel who was unjustly thrown in the lions' pit...

The Doctor then writes that from their conversation he knew they were ALL ONE PERSON of multiple (spiritual) Fluids.

"And each prophet among them is a fluid from the main person, and that prophet brought his fluids to different levels (ranks) ranging in elevation (high ranking as well as low ranking) based on his actions; and they all visited Planet Earth at different times and under different names, whereas the truth is that they are all one prophet sent to the Earth to establish a religion that is compatible with the (spiritual) fluids of the the inhabitants that happen to live during the era during which (the prophet) materializes on Earth" (This is perhaps not an eloquent translation, but you can vouch for the content as far as its meaning)

One thing we learn here also was that Moses (according to what he was saying in the dream) died as soon as he SAW Jerusalem from atop the mountain which overlooked it. And in the dream Moses says "and so the Spirit's prophecy which told me that I would SEE Jerusalem —but not ENTER Jerusalem—had come true. "

Then Christ expresses his disappointment in humanity... and he quite literally says that only a very few number of people actually believed in his message (that their number was so little one could even count using one's fingers... so, we're talking 10 maximum!?)

Then Christ declares that one of his fluids had materialized in INDIA in the name of GANDHI his fate was murder at the hand of "Judas" who was HIMSELF the same JUDAS who could not shake his old ways... In other words, the fluid that sold Jesus would materialize in India and assassinate Mahatma Gandhi.

And Christ declares that the murder of GANDHI was a great insult which meant that the people of Earth do not deserve a prophet among them at all.
Furthermore that his murder is a horrific shame that has shackled the neck of humanity ... and proves that the inferno is a more suitable place for them, and that a thing is attracted to its "mettle" and their "mettle" is "evil" ...

Then Christ says to the prophets: "I am speaking with you my (spiritual) Fluids gathered here, now, in the names of different Prophets, but you are none other than ME, in other words, you were sent from MY FLUIDS and landed on Earth to COMPLETE THE HEAVENLY MISSION. And that is why I said to the Jews 'I came to continue and not to destroy,' and that is recorded in the gospels of my disciples who have recorded my words and my examples. And is it possible that I destroy what I HAVE BUILT during my prior and successive lives?"

Christ then mentions that had he said : " I am the on who built all these teachings that came through the mouths of Ezekiel, Jeremiah, and Joshua... etc... because I myself am called by all these numerous names they WOULD HAVE STONED ME. "

That's when Christ declares that he followed the common piece of wisdom which said "speak to people according to their level of understanding." and that's why he spoke using SYMBOLS whose meanings would be made clear in due time.

Sonic writes : 4)Why it perosnality 100,200,...?

5)What the star means?have anyone asked the dr this?

6) why it is , in the right of Allah and the beloved guided....and not in the right of Allah alone?

7)The yellow paper

Mario Writes: I am not qualified to answer these questions... Perhaps someone else can. I can give educated guesses, but... that's not what you are asking for.

However... regarding the STAR:

Dahesh himself told my brother and I that when Jesus stopped the crowd from stoning the woman, he didn't merely speak to them (as the bible says) or put sense into them using only the power of words... The Doctor said "are you kidding, the mob would have stoned him..." What happened (according to Dahesh) was that Jesus drew a STAR in the sand (or the ground) and EVERYONE in the mob had a vision of what evil they have committed and they RAN!


Thank you for help

[Sonic]

beautifully explained ,Thank you

[Mario]

You're most welcome and thank you for your kind words !

[Sandrine]

Then Christ expresses his disappointment in humanity... and he quite literally says that only a very few number of people actually believed in his message (that their number was so little one could even count using one's fingers... so, we're talking 10 maximum!?)

Then Christ declares that one of his fluids had materialized in INDIA in the name of GANDHI his fate was murder at the hand of "Judas" who was HIMSELF the same JUDAS who could not shake his old ways... In other words, the fluid that sold Jesus would materialize in India and assassinate Mahatma Gandhi.

And Christ declares that the murder of GANDHI was a great insult which meant that the people of Earth do not deserve a prophet among them at all.
Furthermore that his murder is a horrific shame that has shackled the neck of humanity ... and proves that the inferno is a more suitable place for them, and that a thing is attracted to its "metal" and their "metal" is "evil" ...

I would like to thank from the bottom of my heart, one of our Brothers who recommended me, a long time ago, to read "An Autobiography" by Gandhi

http://www.amazon.com/Autobiography-Story-My-Experiments-Truth/dp/0899667465/sr=8-13/qid=1169554551/ref=sr_1_13/104-0130877-4147967?ie=UTF8&s=books

... I was really impressed and touched by this book ...

Here are some interesting links:

http://www.gandhiserve.org/

http://www.kamat.com/mmgandhi/

http://www.mkgandhi.org/index.htm

http://www.gandhiinstitute.org/

Sandrine

[zionic]

I would like to thank from the bottom of my heart, one of our Brothers who recommended me, a long time ago, to read "An Autobiography" by Gandhi

http://www.amazon.com/Autobiography-Story-My-Experiments-Truth/dp/0899667465/sr=8-13/qid=1169554551/ref=sr_1_13/104-0130877-4147967?ie=UTF8&s=books

... I was really impressed and touched by this book ...

Here are some interesting links:

http://www.gandhiserve.org/

http://www.kamat.com/mmgandhi/

http://www.mkgandhi.org/index.htm

http://www.gandhiinstitute.org/

Sandrine

Given Gandhi's high station, would I be silly or wise to infer that Daheshism may have a critique of capitalism and imperialism that is similar to that of Gandhi's critique, and perhaps similar remedies?

[Sandrine]

Given Gandhi's high station, would I be silly or wise to infer that Daheshism may have a critique of capitalism and imperialism that is similar to that of Gandhi's critique, and perhaps similar remedies?

You are opening an infinite discussion … Spontaneously, I think we would have the tendency to answer ‘yes’ …

The strongest people of a Society or Community should work, serve, help, and educate the weakest until the weakest become stronger …

We are self-responsible of our own destiny and co-responsible of the collective destiny of our commnunity/society/ and even our world.
Gandhi’s political and social points of views are intellectually perfect BUT they need to be practice. And as we see ... although He has inspired many people, we are still living in an imperfect world.

Possessions and money although necessary are illusions when they become our ultimate goal, when they rule all our thoughts and actions … Money is a good thing within itself if we consider it as a tool to help us achieve great changes for humanity.

We are spiritually living in interdependence so, whatever material possessions we may have are not really ours … which means that in a world where Love would be true and sincere between brothers and sisters ‘what is mine is yours and vice versa ’ …

In fact, we should try to renounce to our selfish thoughts or behaviours and surrender our greed of power and the illusive materialistic appeal that often leads to more and more injustice …

I’ve quoted some interesting excerpts upon which we could all meditate … and underlined what we might consider to be Daheshist principles …


http://www.swaraj.org/interpreting.htm


On another level, the call for swaraj represents a genuine attempt to regain control of the 'self' - our self-respect, self-responsibility, and capacities for self-realization - from institutions of dehumanization. As Gandhi states, "It is swaraj when we learn to rule ourselves." The real goal of the freedom struggle was not only to secure political azadi (independence) from Britain, but rather to gain true swaraj (liberation and self-rule).

Gandhi wanted all those who believed in swaraj: (1) to reject and wholly uproot the British raj (rule) from within themselves and their communities; and, (2) to regenerate new reference points, systems, and structures that enable individual and collective self-development. This regeneration was to grow from the strengths, perspectives, wisdom and experiences of people living in village India, rather than from cities in Britain, America, and even in India for that matter. Understanding the real 'Self', and its relation to communities and society, is critical to the project of attaining swaraj.

Gandhi was quite radical in urging equality, even more so than the communists. He would have equal wages and bread labour for all. In his ‘Constructive Programme’ (CW, 75:146-66), Gandhi’s concept of equality is not grounded in impersonal and competitive individualism, as it seems to be in the west, but in cooperative and compassionate non-violence, on ‘fraternity’ not just ‘liberty’. In the beginning, he saw no contradiction between such fraternal equality and the idealised hierarchy of varna. But in his later years he reversed himself to urge that "classless society is the ideal, not merely to be at aimed at but to be worked for" (Harijan, February 17, 1946, p 9). By now he was promoting inter-caste marriages and hoping "there would be only one caste known by the beautiful name Bhangi, that is to say the reformer or remover of all dirt" (Harijan, July 7, 1946, p 212).

An ecological understanding is now propelling us to a new and deep realisation of our interdependence. We have only one earth, we must learn to share and care. We are but a contingent part of the cosmos, debtors born, whose proper response to life must be the ‘yagna’, service-offering of our lives for others [Parekh 1995:88]. Thus, with regard to the economy and polity, Gandhi would have the village as his world; but with regard to culture and religion, it was the world that was his village! Surely, here we have a viable example of thinking globally and acting locally. Indeed, our global ecological crisis has begun to press on us anew the relevance of Gandhi’s paradoxical ideas. For the institutional individualism that seemed to be the very foundation of the democratic quest in the west seems quite inadequate to the ecological crises of today. For it privileges individual rights over the common good. But even enlightened self-interest has no answer to the ‘tragedy of the commons’ accept an external coercion.

However, for Gandhi, "individuality" must be "oriented to self-realisation through self-knowledge... in a network of interdependence and harmony informed by ahimsa" [Roy l986a:84]. Nor was this to be an interdependence of dominant-subservient relationships so prevalent in our local communities and global societies. His swadeshi envisaged a more personalised and communitarian society on a human scale, yet extending to include both the biotic and even the cosmic community. This was the logical extension of the Jaina doctrine of ‘syadvada’, that everything is related to everything in the universe in ‘a great chain of being’.

[Sandrine]

So that we are perfectly clear, Daheshism which is based upon freedom rejects communism, even Gandhi had sponsorship or am I wrong ?

Doctor Dahesh as far as I witnessed was happy when somebody worked hard and was blessed with money and he treated others fairly, and contributed to society ...

[Mario]

I think it is important that I speak a little bit about Sandrine and to put things in context, and I am sorry Sandrine if this is embarrassing:

Firstly, her great grand father was a very wealthy and devout Christian who although was a citizen of the Ottoman empire, married an Armenian woman. He would later devote all his wealth (and he WAS very, very wealthly) in the service of protecting the Armenians. He would be forced into exile.

Sandrine's dad started from ZERO...

Sandrine herself, as a teenager, was struck with ilness that kept her confined to her bed for 2 years. She later went on to college then graduate school and acquired prestigious diplomas.

Today, and on a daily basis, she handles a LOT of EUROS for clients some would probably kill to meet. And yet, if you ask her "so, what is it that you do for a living?" she will say "I work for my father."

[zionic]

I think it is important that I speak a little bit about Sandrine and to put things in context, and I am sorry Sandrine if this is embarrassing:

Firstly, her great grand father was a very wealthy and devout Christian who although was a citizen of the Ottoman empire, married an Armenian woman. He would later devote all his wealth (and he WAS very, very wealthly) in the service of protecting the Armenians. He would be forced into exile.

Sandrine's dad started from ZERO...

Sandrine herself, as a teenager, was struck with ilness that kept her confined to her bed for 2 years. She later went on to college then graduate school and acquired prestigious diplomas.

Today, and on a daily basis, she handles a LOT of EUROS for clients some would probably kill to meet. And yet, if you ask her "so, what is it that you do for a living?" she will say "I work for my father."

I'm not trying to put anyone on the spot. I happen to like business, I love entrepreneurs, there is a place for markets, and if I'm a socialist at all I'd have to say that I take my socialist cake with bourgeois icing!

As Sandrine said, it tends to be an "inifinte subject." But hey, we've got the bandwidth, eh?

[Mario]

Excellent. And, don't let anyone (not even a so-called Daheshist) tell you that "you should give your money away"

Money is energy converted into fuel. To let it sit and do nothing is as much of a sin as stealing it...or giving it away willy nilly.

One thing we believe is that whatever happens, happens for a reason. So, if we earn money (or not) is because that's the way it should be. However, the trick (on our end) is to find a way to adopt tactic and behaviors that open the doors for us to (merit to) gain money. And when we do gain the money, we must remember what Doctor Dahesh wrote: "It is an obscenity that you die before you rise with good deeds toward humanity."

So money becomes a vehicle to allow us to do good deeds toward humanity. What THAT may or may not translate to on an individual basis is solely between the individual and his or her Creator.

However, I repeat (and I speak from experience) resist two temptations:

#1: Guilt for being successful.
#2: Arrogance.

Healthy, spiritual living has to do with striking a balance between what we need, want, and must do.

We all believe that we will die when GOD decides. However, does that mean we should not exercise or eat well?

On the other hand, if we exercise and eat well thinking THAT THIS ALONE will extend our life... And MAYBE we would live a few years more if we did nothing but focus on NOTHING but our wellbeing... So what? We're still going to leave this Earth... with nothing BUT our score card.

Therefore, we must get to the point where we differentiate between achieving longevity, wealth, POWER, etc. etc. for JUST their own sake versus putting it ultimately in the service of humanity. And THAT may be as simple as taking care of one's parents, or sponsoring a child... anything that, ultimately, gives someone HOPE. Because, what good is it that we give a few lousy dollars to someone versus finding a way to empower them to become INDEPENDANT. And even if they become totally reliant on us... DIGNITY.

[WingedPaladin]

Law of Consecration

Latter-Day Saints have something similar to what Ghandi proposed as far as communal living as revealed through Joseph Smith, Jr. It is called the Law of Consecration. There are some explanations of it on these websites:

The Law of Consecration (www.lds.org)
http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/b...on/law_eom.htm
http://latter-day.com/consecra.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_consecration

In the early days of the church it was in full practice including giving willingly of one's property (land, clothing, supplies). Today, for various reasons, it is practiced mainly in the sense of giving one's time, talents, and energies to the work of the Lord and to make serving the Lord one's highest priority. One brother recently suggested that it is in the fast offering that we can willingly give of our financial excess in support of this law. The Law of Tithing is still in effect as a commandment, being one-tenth of one's increase. Initially, this included crops, animals, eggs, and other farm produce. Today, it is mainly practiced as giving one tenth of one's monetary income to the church. We expect there will be a time when the Law of Consecration will again be in full practice.

Because of generous fast offerings of the saints, the church has a very effective Humanitarian Services system that aids people and nations all over the world:

http://www.lds.org/humanitarianservi...9,6208,00.html