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[JZamel]

good evening everyone. i am Joseph Ali ,i m there to learn on Dr Dahesh , i just realized reading some stuffs about the Dr that none of his words went against my faith . From what i saw (and i dont think it's enough) i can agree with Dr Dahesh words and thoughts and teachings but i might not agree with certain daheshist s disciples points of views.
To be honnest i have the same dilemas in the religion that God Almighty agreed me to follow. i believe that in spite of my naive mind ,the Lord will quench my thirst of truth.
if there are muslims,christians,jews among us here i d love to talk to them.
i have a few questions i hope i llfind some answers
God bless you all believers who believed in him only

Joseph Ali

[Mario]

From what i saw (and i dont think it's enough) i can agree with Dr Dahesh words and thoughts and teachings but i might not agree with certain daheshist s disciples points of views.

Hello Joseph Ali and welcome to Daheshville. Would it be possible for you to cite one particular example of a Daheshist principle (along with its source) with which you might not agree?

Incidentally, I was brought up Catholic, if that matters.

[JZamel]

to Mario

hello Mario ,first thank you so much ,so far there is not one single thing i ve read that i dont agree with ,in fact it s so seductive that it's scarry ,nothing seems new to me here even if it is sometimes, it's as if i always knew that reward and punishment would through reincarnation of the soul(annafs) and the spirit(arruh) and all i read from your explanations i understand and agree with most of it (to agree 100 percent takes a bit more time )
the biggest disagreement i have is in the fact some daheshists calls their beloved guide a prophet ,i cant agree with that and even more now since i saw it seems Dr Dahesh didnt callhimself that. Even if he was the reincarnation on eartrh of one of the Iasus (Issa) , i thinkit is unapropriate to use a word like prophet.
But believe when i tell you that i agree with all i seen so far.

[Mario]

Dear Joseph Ali,

Putting aside hearsay evidence, based simply on what the Doctor wrote (incidentally, "Docteur" is how everyone addressed him in person), there's enough evidence to warrant that the honorific "prophet" is more than appropriate. In fact, it is as necessary as referring to a judge as "your honor," or a president as "Mr./Mrs. President," because in all such instances we would be showing respect to the office, and not simply the person fulfilling the role of that office.

Still, I will repeat that no one ever addressed him as "Prophet" — simply as "Doctor." And when referring to himself, he would use "Youssef" as the call sign. For example, when he would send me on an assignment, he would say "Tell so and so that Youssef said such and such." And when you hear the audio recording (something we actually have) in which he's telling a story, right off the bat he says "Salim was traveling to France..."

So, for all intents and purposes, we would be correct in saying that he never went around saying "Hello, I'm the Beloved Guiding Prophet." It was either "Doctor Dahesh," "Dahesh," "Salim," or "Youssef." Or simply "I, me, myself."

Still, he had an official role to play and duties to fulfill.

In Humble Supplications, the Prayer of Dahesh clearly states:

"O compassionate Father!
Each who ... believed in Your Beloved Guiding Prophet."

In the Daheshist Symbol, the prayer that every Daheshist should perform, we start by writing:

"By the Right of God
And the Beloved Guiding Prophet
And the Six Personalities
And the Twentieth Fluid"

Even when the Doctor prayed, he would write the above, including "And the Beloved Guiding Prophet."

Perhaps to show respect for the office he held on a temporary basis. And I say "temporary" because (again, based on his own writings), he was human and (in a worst case scenario) and was subject to the laws of Planet Earth.

In Makali's Spiritual Letter (http://forum.daheshville.com/showthr...?p=894#post894), we read "and your total mercy Oh Prophet!"

Last but not least, in Doctor Dahesh's Strange Stories and Wondrous Tales, book #3, The Christ addresses all his Spiritual Fluids (and we learn they are The Prophets) and He mentions His return as a prophet, as Dahesh, in the 20th century.

Beginning of page 83 of a book that, unfortunately few eyes have seen, Lord Christ tells the story of why he had to return as Dahesh. It is clear from that chapter that Jesus is a prophet and that Dahesh is his return.

And here's something else: apparently, one of The Christ's Spritual Fluids materialized in Mahatma Gandhi. And person who shot him was the reincarnation of Judas. And for the record, Doctor Dahesh referred to Gandhi as "The Prophet of the Twentieth Century."

In any case, based on what I'm presenting you, it is every Daheshist's duty to refer to Doctor Dahesh as a "Prophet." To deny that would be, in my humble opinion, serious...

That being said, and I've wrote about this a couple of times, he never let anyone kiss his hand. I was at Doctor Dahesh's in Beirut, and he was greeting visitors, among whom were a small family consisting of a mother, father, and son (the latter was in his early to late twenties). The Doctor shook hands with the parents, and when it was the son's turn, the latter bowed and tried the kiss the Doctor's hand. The Doctor IMMEDIATELY retracted his hand and exclaimed "God Forbid!" إزتخفرالله

[JZamel]

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I understand why you call him a beloved guide and prophet in the prayers plus according to the fluids thing prophets sharing the same your prayers are by all the prophets of god . right?

[Mario]

I understand why you call him a beloved guide and prophet in the prayers plus according to the fluids thing prophets sharing the same your prayers are by all the prophets of god . right?

Pretty much. You might find this link interesting:

http://www.daheshville.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3927#post3927

Pay particular attention to the version of the Symbol that featured the names of the prophets...

[JZamel]

very interesting thank you