Darrick Evenson Misrepreting Daheshism on MormonDiscussions.com

[Daheshville]

Below is a quick (and urgent) response to what we saw at this link.

Basically, Darrick Troy Evenson claims that Daheshism teaches (pay attention) that White people are descendants of Adam and Eve and Black People are descendants of Apes!

Now, how did we hear about this? Simple: we got a letter from someone asking : "Any truth to this? Does Brax support such a teaching? Does daheshville.com support a teaching such as this?"

So, here is our response:

Daheshism teaches no such thing!!!

However, each person (regardless of race) has (possibly) a link to an animal, insect, and vegetable.

How?

Via what is known in Daheshist theory as "Spiritual Fluids." (Kindly Note: The notion of Spiritual Fluids in Daheshism is different than anything that might have preceded it) http://www.daheshville.com/forum/showthread.php?t=723

Simply stated: each person was at one time or another (to some degree) linked to an animal. So, and looking at it from a purely (and true) Daheshist perspective, a person might have Spiritual Fluids from a Shark and a Rhino, a bee, and a carnation flower.
That does not mean, however, that he directly evolved from them. Not in Daheshism anyway...

And, furthermore, not unless it is via Divine Revelation, it would be impossible to confirm who was linked to what animal etc.

Sure, some people are tall like Giraffes, or walk like bears... and may even have features resembling a bulldog, and most probably (please humor me) there might be a measure of truth in that. But it would be impossible to confirm.

And even so. So what?

A person might have a spiritual fluid in common with a dog... that neither means he will be loyal... nor chase after the mailman...

Furthermore, a king might have a spiritual fluid in common with a bug, whereas a homeless man could have spiritual fluid from a Lion... We can't generalize an say that we "evolved" from this or that animal.

The fact of the matter is (again, from a Daheshist perspective, and even though it may seem like it, and this is a long discussion) there is no such thing as "Evolution."

By the way. Where are the "prototypes." ?

I mean, no one asks the question of whatever happened to all the mishaps along the way: Where are the apes with three arms and 4 legs... ? You know... The "mistakes" that "evolution" should have produced, as it (allegedly) perfected the formula... until, bingo, one day, "Man."

Again, that is a tangent.

So, back to our issue at hand:

A person — any person — could have (for example) Spiritual Fluids that have existed within the collective that might have constituted a Rhino and a Shark...

That means that any one of us could have Spiritual Fluids from an (sure... why not) Ape.... or a horse... or any other animal... including insects, and even plants!

But, one thing for sure, the above claims that are allegedly Daheshist in nature are not true.

Therefore, there was no such thing as "evolution from an animal."

There is one known instance where there was an exception to this rule: Bees.

According to Daheshism: Bees were a race a giants who were punished. So they were transformed (instantly) into Bees. And (still within the realm of that Daheshist Myth) these (now) Bees had one job:

To serve the Queen.

That Queen, it turned out, was a woman who was (I believe, and I have re-check the original story) brutally murdered by the giants. Evidently, "GOD" (or whatever it is we refer to as "GOD") punished them by turning them into bees instantly.

[zionic]

*gasp*ing. for. breath. dr. mccoy.....bones...

Welp, since he's continuing to invade my land (as it were) I guess I'll just have to defend it and take Deseret back from "Mr. White Folks".

[Loup Solitaire]

Brax! Wax!

I do not understand why Brax does not take a proactive stance about what he believes on the Internet! If he is illiterate of the Internet, then certainly someone of his choosing can make posts on his behalf if only he would provide the text.

If the poor man suffers failing health and is unable to do it for this reason, then maybe it is time to pass the baton.

[Johnson]

Excellent explanation Mario…

And just to add my .02 cents to the discussion…

We each “evolve” or “devolve” based upon our own individual actions and intentions… Each of us is as you mentioned a very complex combination of evolving spiritual fluids… there are fluids within our makeup that inspire us to a higher order, and there are those are that throw us down to the most base of intentions. Our character and consciously chosen efforts determine where we move between these two extremes.

Whatever the physical manifestation of our spiritual existence happens to be, whether it takes on the physical form of a human, a plant or an animal, this manifestation is purely based upon the very complex matrix of coming to a balance within the unknown divine order of universe…

The belief that “evolution” and the world is solely based upon the quantifiable physical lineage that we can only tangibly see from generation to generation is inherently inaccurate from a Daheshist perspective. And to make declarations that one race of humans “evolved” from a lineage where the general point is that “WE are therefore better than THEM” is in the realm of being a million times removed from ANYTHING that remotely represents the essential tenets of the Daheshist message. This mentality, as with the case here, is purely self-serving… (Guess what? DTE happens to be caucasian…)

If we are truly spiritual beings having a physical experience… then it is our spirituality that establishes our presence, our overall “rank” if you will, as well as what we perceive as our present physicality…whether this perceived presence takes the form of a human, an animal, vegetable or whatever. As such, from a spiritual perspective, there may be mosquitoes that are loftier entities than you or I could ever hope to be… even though from a physical human standpoint, that mosquito is generally perceived as being completely insignificant.

The kind of person that Darrick Troy Evenson continually shows himself as being, and the kind of distortions he is consistently capable of… and the extent that he will go to to out and out LIE to support his distortions, I am truly starting to believe that he may more than just a threat to the message of Daheshism… I think he is capable of doing pretty much anything to show the world how right he is and will go to nearly any length to extinguish anything or anybody in his way. It is very easy to see his character "devolve" down this path...

Why others that have even greater means than those of us here to make their voices heard against this scourge and take some sort of cohesive action is completely beyond me...

[Loup Solitaire]

Excellent explanation Mario…

… Each of us is as you mentioned a very complex combination of evolving spiritual fluids… there are fluids within our makeup that inspire us to a higher order, and there are those are that throw us down to the most base of intentions......

......................... The kind of person that DTE continually shows himself as being, and the kind of distortions he is consistently capable of… and the extent that he will go to to out and out LIE to support his distortions, I am truly starting to believe that he may more than just a threat to the message of Daheshism…

Dave:

DTE may be seriously influenced some vile spiritual fluids. His actions put me in mind of characters in a few movies I have seen: "The Omen", "The Exorcist", just to name two. And I don't think he is one of the good guys!

[zionic]

Dave:

DTE may be seriously influenced some vile spiritual fluids. His actions put me in mind of characters in a few movies I have seen: "The Omen", "The Exorcist", just to name two. And I don't think he is one of the good guys!

There is an old saw often heard among Mormons concerning their enemies to the effect that "we can leave our apostates alone but they can't leave us alone." Welcome to DTE's struggle with Mormonism. He became a Baha'i so that he could keep his faith in Joseph's work. Apparently the value of Daheshism is that aspects of it could be stitched together to form a proof-text that could reinforce his need for Mormonism and Baha'ism to "fit." This is what DTE's better angels and his demons both share in common, the egoistic drive to fit things together when sometimes there simply isn't enough evidence (at least not yet) to make them fit together.

Is DTE's search sincere? Might be the wrong question. The right question might be, what motivates DTE's sincere search? An evil simpering egoist can be quite sincere.

A pity, that DTE. On the very edge of genius. and about to fall off the precipice in a great leap forward into the abyss.

[Loup Solitaire]

Interesting perspective!

Zionic:

I find your analysis very interesting and I suspect there may be some validity in it. But I thought the guy was just a raving lunatic driven by pure egotism and something very sinister. Maybe I need to be more open minded. I just want to point out that his history is deep and goes back to 1991 and before.

For example, this link which has been referred frequently, is indicative of DTE's behavior that goes back a long way.

http://www.utlm.org/newsletters/no79.htm

I'm all for forgiving and forgetting, but some people can't let that happen. When forgiven, they keep reminding everyone why they needed forgiving in the first place.

As Dr Dahesh advised, all people need to be respected for the way they choose to practice their faith. But DTE has gone over the line by proselytizing and leading people into fictitious beliefs. Although I always thought that demons were a product of imaginative obsessions, I think DTE has proved me wrong.

[Johnson]

Certainly if DTE wanted to further isolate himself as the originator of his own denominational faith called DTE ”ism” AND never mentioned that any of his beliefs have ANYTHING to do with what Daheshism really is about AND stopped the extremely personal attacks upon individual members in the Daheshist community for DEFENDING and UPHOLDING the real truth of Dr. Dahesh’s teachings, yes, I think we could unanimously agree to “forgive” and certainly quickly forget anything and everything to do with the man.

But this is a man that is truly driven by the desire to control and destroy based upon his own personal perceptions. Even when he has asked seemingly valid questions and he gets answers he doesn’t like or agree with, rather than recalibrating his thinking, he openly admits he can continue on doing whatever he pleases, in whatever manner he pleases to do them in.

The fluid that drives DTE to do what he does is obviously very strong in him… just like the fluids that moved the drivers of those respect cars to want to cross paths and do harm to Mario and Ron at various points in their lives. Everything is cause and effect.

These forces really show themselves to be like singularly focused heat seeking missiles intent on achieving only one particular self serving goal at all costs.

This singular focus, with its inherent lack of empathy for any other option is by definition a characteristic of a psychopath... and what I think we can call "evil".