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    Hello Everyone,

    This morning I received this private message from a concerned member of the Community of Christ. It concerned me so much that I put a request before our board of directors to authorize the tech dept. to create a new forum... And, judging by the speed at which my request was implemented, it is safe to assume that Daheshville, as a whole, is very concerned!

    So whithout further ado, I present you the message.

    "A certain Darrick Evenson recently posted messages on a discussion board http://www.thecybercommunity.net, which is sponsored by individuals who are members of the Community of Christ.

    Mr. Evenson seems to have decided to join the Community of Christ because it may be tolerant of his Dahesist beliefs. He is probably right in his accessment of our tolerance. However he also seems to "shooting his wad" with a series of leading questions related to reincarnation and sexuality, particularly homosexuality as well as the mission of Dahesh. He seems disatisfied with our responses to him, as if he were trying just a little too hard to convert us. On his website he predicts that the Community of Christ will become the Danesh Community of Christ....quite an ambitious project to be taking on. In the past Mr. Evenson berated Baha'is for not adopting his "uniform system" for teaching the Baha'i Faith, a system that he derived from the the proselyting efforts of the LDS Church.

    It is my understanding that Dahesh and the present promoters of Daheshs' teachings discourage the use of proselytization as a means of teaching their faith. Could it be then that Mr. Evenson is out of harmony with the stated desires of Danesh himself?"

    A Concerned Brother

    Once more: The Doctor said (in writing) that we should even respect those who believe in the Stone as their deity because that's their way of relating to God. This is not something I am making up. Shortly after his death, I was visiting the house where he lived and was sitting in the kitchen with another Daheshist. That kitchen was adjacent to his "private wing" where he had a study, bedroom, and a library. It was in the foyer of this private wing that I assisted the embalmers prepare his body (with two other Daheshists, one of whom was sitting with me at that time.)

    At one point the man's sister emerges from the Doctor's wing and she's got a stack of never-before seen papers... things that the Doctor himself had written. So, she placed the stack of documents on the kitchen island where her brother and I were sitting, and she said "listen to THIS!" and she began to read select passages pertaining to priests and what sort of qualities they should have etc...(at which point both her brother and I looked at each other and he joked "well, that does it for ME then!") THEN, she read the part where the Doctor, once again, was saying that we HAVE to respect other people's faiths' and that we should even NOT try to convert those who believe in the STONE because that's the way for them to relate to GOD!

    That being said, Darrick Evenson's actions—even if your community is receptive to the message of Dahesh—is going against Dahesh's teachings... at ITS CORE!

    As to our friends from the COMMUNITY of CHRIST, please accept our heartfelt apologies!

    Best Regards,

    Mario
    Last edited by Daheshville; 01-13-2007, 06:33 PM.
    "Fail, to succeed."

  • #2
    Let me also add my apologies to yours Mario ... Of course we do not endorse this kind of behaviour and we never will...

    If Darrick Evenson really considers himself to be Daheshist why would he feel the need “to join the Community of Christ because it may be tolerant of his Daheshist belief”...

    A Daheshist would never ever “infiltrate” another Spiritual Community, Church or Religion and disturb people in their faith or try to convince them of anything pertaining to our Daheshist beliefs... This is not our way!

    And, without any reference to our faith but simply as a human being, I would say that this is not a spiritual attitude.

    Darrick has the right to act freely in his own name but I would sincerely invite him to avoid using Doctor Dahesh and Daheshism where it is totally inappropriate.

    Again, this is a question of Respect.

    Thank you Darrick.

    Sandrine

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    • #3
      Let me also apologize for the painful, uncomfortable and totally INAPPROPRIATE situation Darrick has created for you...and for himself.

      Someone like this appears to have an aggenda. An aggenda that no one here condones in any way shape or form. Mario has wonderfully and accurately characterized the position that Dr. Dahesh would have on such matters. One's path to a better understanding of ones' self and God is individual and personal. Always has been, always will be. I echo Sandrine's sentiments as well.

      There are many ways to the oneness that we seek.

      This proselytizing mentality often comes about by individuals who think that they are "chosen" to guide the masses in to a certain way of thinking. This is offensive and boorish to me, my friends, colleagues and family here. These individuals are looking for a platform on which to build their own little microcosm of the world. Their world. The universe does not work this way. People do not work this way. True spirituality and the understanding along the way of any form of enlightenment does not work this way. But this approach and proselytizing is not about spirituality. Spirituality is merely the topic....this is all about the ego of the individual. Even if I were not a Daheshist, as a human being I would still be offended by this arrogant approach.

      I hope that some enlightenment will spread where it needs to as a result of this discussion. I also hope that what we have offered here mends the bridge to the Community of Christ congregation.

      David

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      • #4
        From the Cybercommunity.net discussion board


        Terri wrote in response to comments Darrick made about the 'abomination of homosexuality':
        Wow! If I'm heterosexual I get to have my own paradise planet when I die??? WoooHooo!! Will it have tropical climes and sandy beaches?

        And.. do I get to be the Goddess of the planet?? I'm pumped . Then I will get to decide what the abominations are...

        Let's see... Here would be my list of abominations..

        1. People who think they know the mind of God well enough to condemn others as abominations.

        2. People who are willing to kill, ostracize and/or demean others becaue they think they know the mind of God.

        3. Oh .. and people who throw trash around on the ground of my beautiful paradise planet!!!!

        Those would have to be struck with lightning bolts immediately. (the trash throwers)

        Should I sign this post "a fellow thurmaninte'?

        Darrick rebutted:

        I can almost guarantee you that YOU will never get a paradise planet.

        Your list of "abominations" does not fit with God's list. I think I'll go with God's list.
        'Nuff sed 'bout that! Not much comment needed.
        ________________________________________________
        "Call me late, just don't call me late for dinner."-Checker Flag Bubba

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        • #5
          Oh, that's just great! NONE of us here on the Board of Daheshville are getting their paradise planet EITHER!

          If you're wondering what sort of "discussions" we've had about this subject:

          Search the forum for the word "butler" and start with Epistle #5 (which actually was the first to appear, albeit numbered #5... just like Star Wars started with episode 4...) and then move on to Epistle #6... and I believe there is an Epistle #9... We never got Epistles 7 and 8 ...

          You probably did!

          Mario

          "Fail, to succeed."

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Mario View Post
            Oh, that's just great! NONE of us here on the Board of Daheshville are getting their paradise planet EITHER!

            If you're wondering what sort of "discussions" we've had about this subject:

            Search the forum for the word "butler" and start with Epistle #5 (which actually was the first to appear, albeit numbered #5... just like Star Wars started with episode 4...) and then move on to Epistle #6... and I believe there is an Epistle #9... We never got Epistles 7 and 8 ...

            You probably did!

            Mario


            I'm afraid I'm out of the loop. Haven't even got one Epistle. No Apostolic Letters. I can't find my copy of the Dahesh Recognitions (sorry Clement!), or the Controversy with Darrick (sorry Trypho, sorry Justin Martyr).
            ________________________________________________
            "Call me late, just don't call me late for dinner."-Checker Flag Bubba

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            • #7
              Take a look at this re D. Evenson

              http://www.equip.org/free/DN037.pdf
              http://www.mdcbowen.org/p2/bh/generalN.html
              http://www.absalom.com/mormon/contri...-polygamy.html

              He's been around for a while.

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              • #8
                Hi Ron...thanks for the links. These are absolutely vile ramblings and the endless vulgarities were difficult to read without wincing. His writings and loathings about African Americans, his "Trojan Horse" evangelism of "infiltrating false religions..." the ramblings on polygamy... these writings are more about the continual evolution of Darrick than anything else. I do not agree with his ways. In reading his posts and his involvement with the Mormons and now the Community of Christ... much of what he has done and how he has dealt with these organizations have been done under many false pretenses.

                Now he is "into" Daheshism. This is all fine. I wish Darrick the best in his journey. What his motivations may or may not be are between himself and his God.

                What I do have a problem with is the tone and gross inaccuracies that he presents in the same breath as truths. He states that to become a Daheshist one must fill out a "Letter of Declaration" and mail it to him in Washington...along with return address and contact information. On another part of his site, he mentions that when you become a Daheshist, you can perform miracles. He mixes this repulsive TV envangelist mentality in with the information he has culled from his research over the past year or two.

                It is very clear in reading through his web site when he starts to interpret and extrapolate and present "Darrickisms" that are of his own wishful constructions... not the actual teachings of Dahesh. Much of what Darrick presents on his website is not part of the basic tenets of Daheshism. What is unfortunate is that someone who is looking to learn and understand what Daheshism about will not know the line between what Darrick has been told and what Darrick has fabricated.

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                • #9
                  More in reference to Darrick

                  OK. Let see if I understand correctly. Darrick does have some very interesting and persuasive information presented on his web site. What percentage of it is consistent with true Daheshist belief as you understand it? Is one likely to go down the wrong path using it as a reference? My intuition sounds an alarm after reading too much of his writing.

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                  • #10
                    Darrick has used real documents with or without permission (we don’t know…) to look like a serious web site. He even uses Mario’s photo in which he teaches The Daheshist symbol ( prayer) …

                    And the way it’s been made, with so many ramifications, add to the confusion of the reader.

                    No wonder why you feel "an alarm after reading too much of his writing" ... anybody would with much less than that ! ... to comfort you, I assure you that we feel the same!

                    It’s like "special effects" used as a technique to lose and confuse people … It seems to be a ball of wool that would be entirely mixed up …

                    He has made such a fine mess of the Truth … that’s unbelievable!

                    We really feel offended by such a web site. It hurts a lot … most probably because we know that some information are accurate but unfortunately ... they are presented in such confusion, mixed with false and wrong statements, and hidden behind Darrick’s distorted explanations.

                    In my humble opinion ronschaum, if you read little by little, what has been and will be written here in Daheshville, you will certainly find by yourself what you may consider to be "The Truth" in Darrick’s web site …and obviously, you can trust your intuition ...

                    Sorry for not being more prolific … I am French, and writing in English is not really my "cup of tea" ...

                    Sandrine

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                    • #11
                      Darrick used some rough language today at the Cybercommunity and got messages deleted....a very very rare occurance at the Cybercommunity, but understandable given his abusive behavior. This prompted an apology to the Cybercommunity on my part, in part because I feel responsible for the damage Darrick may have done to your Daheshist community in the eyes of members of the Community of Christ. I'm doing what I can to undo that damage. Please consider my apology to the cybercommunity to be an apology to you as well.

                      Originally posted by che
                      I want to take a moment and apologise to the entire Cybercommunity for having invited Darrick Evenson onto this board. I feel that I have hurt my own reputation by doing so.

                      I invited him on to this board in part because I felt that the CoC board might prove hostile territory in which to express ideas about reincarnation or his belief in Baha'u'llah etc. I'm also fascinated with much of the subject matter that he writes about, particularly his study of the relationship between the LDS temple rites, freemasonry and certain sects of Shi'a Islam as well as the Hajj itself. This has been in my view his most important work, and I would like to see him concentrate on it and develop it further. I also share a certain fascination with certain aspects of Mormon history, such as the Morrisite episode, and felt he would be a fun person to explore that with. Reincarnation is also an interest of mine as I've had experiences in the past for which reincarnation would seem to be a plausible enough explanation. Subjective experiences to be sure, but they are my experiences and I've always been interested in an explanation. Reincarnation just happens to be my favourite explanation, but of course there are others.

                      Well we could have had some wonderful fun-filled fellowship with Darrick..but unfortunately...well he's certainly shot his wad, and no one is going to want to discuss much of anything with him. The boy doesn't pick his fights very well.

                      I'd like him to seriously consider the criticism that has been directed toward him on both this and the Dahesh discussion board, most of it just, that has been directed toward him. Furthermore Darrick has done a lot of damage to the followers of Dahesh in the eyes of brothers and sisters here at the Cybercommunity. Whenever we hear the word Dahesh we'll hear Darrick's name instead. That is sad.

                      I would also like to see him stop tripping all over his ego. One can pursue an agenda and do so quite openly without giving in to the dictatorial aspects of the ego.

                      Once again, I apologise for having subjected you all to this troubled and tumultuous brother.

                      Finally, to Darrick I say: D'oh! Ouch!! Quit it!!!

                      Regards
                      Alan Avans
                      ________________________________________________
                      "Call me late, just don't call me late for dinner."-Checker Flag Bubba

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                      • #12
                        "Good Vibrations"

                        Dear "Zionic,"

                        I know I speak on behalf of our Board when I say think nothing of the sort!

                        Listen... What is the difference between all of weathering a hurricane and ... this?

                        Who knows why these "disasters" happen...

                        Ironically, I don't think Darrick himself is enjoying any of this... yet, he keeps repeating the same pattern...

                        The great new is I feel that both our communities (CoC and DV) seek harmony.

                        And Darrick:

                        C...E...G. Three different notes... but together, they make a nice chord and add a forth element—which wasn't there before (the Holistic concept... "the whole being bigger than the sum of the parts...")

                        If God wanted everyone to sing the same note he wouldn't have created "chords."

                        All we can do (as far as our Daheshist faith) is to bear "witness" and "appeal" to all the "notes" that are in the same frequency as "Daheshism." (Oh, and not to invent such insane claims as "Dahesh taught us how to perform miracles!")

                        Think "Sympathetic Vibrations" (a vibration produced in one body by the vibrations of exactly the same period in a neighboring body)

                        The Doctor himself wrote in terms of "vibrations and frequencies" by the way...

                        How about JESUS CHRIST? Did he do more than speak and move on?

                        In other words, we are not interested in CONVERTING "anyone and everyone" to Daheshism.

                        You can't tune a G string to play a B note... You'd break the string... You CAN, however, you've have to tune it so low that the string will sound will be mushy...not as it is meant to be?

                        My belief is that as long as we publish who and what we are (without invention and false claims!), those meant to "vibrate" at the same "frequency" as "us" will do so.

                        Now, in case someone is wondering "yeah, but, are then saying that all the Daheshists will 'sing the same note?' "

                        Aaaah, never underestimate the power of "Harmonics!" In other words, even a single note carries multiple notes within it... which incidentally is the reason why synthesizers will never be able to recreate a real violin... but I seriously digress!

                        Mario

                        (Speaking of "Good Vibrations" as well as for your listening enjoyment, I give you a great theme by Brian Wilson. Legend has it that the original song cost $55,000 to produce in 1966!)

                        http://www.studioview.com/good_vibrations.mid


                        Last edited by Mario; 01-19-2007, 10:59 PM.
                        "Fail, to succeed."

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                        • #13
                          Just so that we are clear...

                          ... Why should we assume we are privileged because we met Dahesh? For all we know, those who met him did so as a TEST, whereas those already happy and content following the teachings of Jesus Christ (for example) on some remote island (or cybertown) are meant to live in bliss...

                          I've often considered that being close to Dahesh put more responsability on my shoulders than offered me... perks!

                          Sure, if I do my duty, serve my God, etc. I will rewarded, (if I MERIT it, because Daheshism teaches us that what lies ahead for us depends NOT just on what we do in this life)... but let's assume I WILL be rewared... SO WILL ALL those who follow their respective faiths. I can't tell you how many life lessons I learnt from Buddhists! (for example)

                          So, this business of trying to convert others is not logical and can be destructive. Look at the results!

                          MHC
                          Last edited by Mario; 01-19-2007, 11:07 PM.
                          "Fail, to succeed."

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                          • #14
                            LIES About Darrick Evenson

                            Dear Mario and Others,

                            I wrote to the leaders of the Community of Christ about Dr. Dahesh, and if Daheshist would be tolerant in said community. They said "no" at first, then "yes"! I decided NOT to join the CofC as a Daheshist, because I could not agree with some of the tenants of said Church (such as homosexuality was not a sin, abortion ok for any reason, etc.).

                            The UNITY School welcomes Daheshists to worship in UNITY churches.
                            Darrick Evenson


                            QUOTE=Mario;833]Hello Everyone,

                            This morning I received this private message from a concerned member of the Community of Christ. It concerned me so much that I put a request before our board of directors to authorize the tech dept. to create a new forum... And, judging by the speed at which my request was implemented, it is safe to assume that Daheshville, as a whole, is very concerned!

                            So whithout further ado, I present you the message.

                            "A certain Darrick Evenson recently posted messages on a discussion board http://www.thecybercommunity.net, which is sponsored by individuals who are members of the Community of Christ.

                            Mr. Evenson seems to have decided to join the Community of Christ because it may be tolerant of his Dahesist beliefs. He is probably right in his accessment of our tolerance. However he also seems to "shooting his wad" with a series of leading questions related to reincarnation and sexuality, particularly homosexuality as well as the mission of Dahesh. He seems disatisfied with our responses to him, as if he were trying just a little too hard to convert us. On his website he predicts that the Community of Christ will become the Danesh Community of Christ....quite an ambitious project to be taking on. In the past Mr. Evenson berated Baha'is for not adopting his "uniform system" for teaching the Baha'i Faith, a system that he derived from the the proselyting efforts of the LDS Church.

                            It is my understanding that Dahesh and the present promoters of Daheshs' teachings discourage the use of proselytization as a means of teaching their faith. Could it be then that Mr. Evenson is out of harmony with the stated desires of Danesh himself?"

                            A Concerned Brother

                            Once more: The Doctor said (in writing) that we should even respect those who believe in the Stone as their deity because that's their way of relating to God. This is not something I am making up. Shortly after his death, I was visiting the house where he lived and was sitting in the kitchen with another Daheshist. That kitchen was adjacent to his "private wing" where he had a study, bedroom, and a library. It was in the foyer of this private wing that I assisted the embalmers prepare his body (with two other Daheshists, one of whom was sitting with me at that time.)

                            At one point the man's sister emerges from the Doctor's wing and she's got a stack of never-before seen papers... things that the Doctor himself had written. So, she placed the stack of documents on the kitchen island where her brother and I were sitting, and she said "listen to THIS!" and she began to read select passages pertaining to priests and what sort of qualities they should have etc...(at which point both her brother and I looked at each other and he joked "well, that does it for ME then!") THEN, she read the part where the Doctor, once again, was saying that we HAVE to respect other people's faiths' and that we should even NOT try to convert those who believe in the STONE because that's the way for them to relate to GOD!

                            That being said, Darrick Evenson's actions—even if your community is receptive to the message of Dahesh—is going against Dahesh's teachings... at ITS CORE!

                            As to our friends from the COMMUNITY of CHRIST, please accept our heartfelt apologies!

                            Best Regards,

                            Mario[/QUOTE]

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                            • #15
                              Don't apologize for Darrick Evenson unless you are Darrick Evenson

                              I got kicked off a cybercommunity because I referred to the Community of Christ homosexuals as "A Community of Queers". And I stand by that.

                              DO NOT apologize for Darrick Evenson unless you are Darrick Evenson.

                              DO NOT JUDGE me by what others tell you. If we can judge others by "rumors" from good people, then Dr. Dahesh was one of the most evil men who ever lived...according to the most respectable people in Lebanon.
                              Thank you.
                              Darrick


                              Originally posted by zionic View Post
                              Darrick used some rough language today at the Cybercommunity and got messages deleted....a very very rare occurance at the Cybercommunity, but understandable given his abusive behavior. This prompted an apology to the Cybercommunity on my part, in part because I feel responsible for the damage Darrick may have done to your Daheshist community in the eyes of members of the Community of Christ. I'm doing what I can to undo that damage. Please consider my apology to the cybercommunity to be an apology to you as well.

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