When Did THIS Happen?!

[Daheshville]

Apparently, Daheshism is (now) a SECT of the Bahai... (please see chart below. Here is the original site)...

[zionic]

It seems that you-know-who has actually gotten somewhat more imaginative and is improving his web publishing skills, though these skills are elementary and remain inadequate if the object is to hide his identity from the DIU. ("Daheshist Intelligence Unit" )

Or is that the DSA? Daheshist Security Agency? DDF...Daheshist Defence Forces.....

What shall we call our firewall against the likes of the Adversary in the West?

[Mario]

It seems that you-know-who has actually gotten somewhat more imaginative and is improving his web publishing skills, though these skills are elementary and remain inadequate if the object is to hide his identity from the DIU. ("Daheshist Intelligence Unit" )

Or is that the DSA? Daheshist Security Agency? DDF...Daheshist Defence Forces.....

What shall we call our firewall against the likes of the Adversary in the West?

Funny you should mention the issue of "web publishing skills."
At first, we weren't totally sure if this was something he authored himself, especially that owning a domain name and hosting a web site such as this actually costs money. And so far, his platform has mainly been AngelFire and Google Groups.

But then when we saw the Facebook group with all the strange administrator names and clear connection to the AngelFire sites, it started to look as if he has become more sophisticated in his approach. (and you can — ironically — see that one Daheshville member joined that FaceBook group, and gave it high praise... of course, not before erasing all his messages on Daheshville... we did of course warn that individual as well as the member who own Daheshisme.org, but we never got a response from either of them, which is fine. We've done our due diligence and duty.)

As far as what to call our firewall, and on a highly serious note: we now have a "Moderated Group" member category.

In other words, even if he were to be able to slip under our RADAR, any message he posts will automatically go into a moderation queue (the same now applies for many members who never posted any messages. We just don't want to take any chances). So, now the rule is that once a person becomes a Member, they *will* have access to the information in the Members Section. However, they cannot change their profile (and post an undesirable web link), nor can they contact any other member, and they are moderated.

This will remain in force indefinitely.

[WingedPaladin]

Bab-Dahesh Article

Apparently, Daheshism is (now) a SECT of the Bahai...

Interesting... As much as I like the idea of there being connections, I wonder from what concrete information that conclusion was drawn as the article makes the claim but lacks references to actual quotes or references to Daheshists (or their literary works) who would agree with what the article is claiming Dr. Dahesh to be or what Daheshists believe.

What is more interesting to me in light of there being any sort of connection is this scripture:

"The wilderness and the solitary place shall be glad for them; and the desert shall rejoice, and blossom as the rose.
It shall blossom abundantly, and rejoice even with joy and singing: the glory of Lebanon shall be given unto it, the excellency of Carmel and Sharon, they shall see the glory of the Lord, and the excellency of our God." (Isaiah 35:1-2)

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Investigation Update: Actually, in looking at it again, it seems that a Bahai or someone with great interest in the Bahai faith, possibly Christopher Joe of Houston, Texas (There is a Christopher Joe who lives in Houston, Texas but with different address as the one registered) who is listed as the individual who registered the sectsofbahais.com domain, wrote the article and referenced the angelfire sites believing them to be representative and authoritative of Daheshists beliefs. Further investigation may be necessary before being conclusive. From what I have searched, Brax's book mentioned on the angelfire site makes no mention of Bab or the Bahais.

As far as the Facebook group goes, it seems that it was created by a Bahai, or someone with great interest in Bahaism, going by the name Piroz Payam, because if you look at the right column, there is a list of related groups which are almost all Bahai related:

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Related Groups
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* Baha'is On Facebook.
Common Interest - Beliefs & Causes
* The Largest Baha'i Facebook Group Ever
Common Interest - Religion & Spirituality
* Bahai Faith <---------This one created by Piroz Payam with a link to MySpace Profile http://www.myspace.com/shayanbe
Common Interest - Religion & Spirituality
* Baha'i Faith
Common Interest - Religion & Spirituality
* Mona's Dream
Entertainment & Arts - Movies
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Facebook gets the list of related groups from other groups to which the members, the admin in particular, belong.

The description of the group seems to quote the sectsofbahai.com site extensively, or vice versa. It becomes a question of which came first, the chicken or the egg?


These posts to the group by the other admin, Payam Parviz, are of particular interest, as I wonder what Daheshist had made such determinations and whether it is a general declarative or restricted to the Facebook group:

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Payam Parviz (New York, NY) wrote
at 12:09pm on April 30th, 2009
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Religious Daheshists will be divided into thirteen "Orders"; each one based upon a particular religion;

*Christianity
*Judaism
*Islaam
*Sikhism
*Hinduism
*Buddhism
*Jainism
*Zoroastrianism
*Confucianism
*Cao Dai
*Taoism
*Druze religion
*Baha'i Faith

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Payam Parviz (New York, NY) wrote
at 12:07pm on April 30th, 2009
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THE UNITED ORDER

Dr. Dahesh was the reincarnation of Jesus Christ, and Manichaeus, and Ali ibn Talib, and Kabir, and Guru Nanak, and Rumi, and Besht (Baal Shem Tov), and Baha'u'llah, among others. He was the Sayyal ("pouring out") of the Christ-Spirit for the 20th century.

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[Mario]

Actually, in looking at it again, it seems that a Bahai or someone with great interest in the Bahai faith, possibly Christopher Joe of Houston, Texas (There is a Christopher Joe who lives in Houston, Texas but with different address as the one registered) ...

Thank you Winged Paladin for your investigative report.

Here are some comments that might help you and others come to some definite conclusions:

In this day and age of identity theft, how difficult is it, do you think, to (randomly) select an innocent bystander and make him out to be the owner of a web site?

Case-in-point: The Facebook group alleges that Daheshisme.org is the entity behind that group.

Is it? (That question was rhetorical)

For our part, we've contacted both Sects of Bahai as well as Daheshisme.org regarding this matter and neither of them responded.

... who is listed as the individual who registered the sectsofbahais.com domain, wrote the article and referenced the angelfire sites believing them to be representative and authoritative of Daheshists beliefs. Further investigation may be necessary before being conclusive. From what I have searched, Brax's book mentioned on the angelfire site makes no mention of Bab or the Bahais.

For the record: The angelfire sites are to be avoided. Might there be information there that is correct? Sure. Even those who tortured Doctor Dahesh spelled his name correctly (something I am yet to see those Angelfire sites do) and got some facts about him straight. But as history has shown, these criminals bought all the newspapers which became a venue for their lies about him.

Those evil Spiritual Fluids are not gone.

They won't rest until they get their pound of flesh.

And what the AngelFire web sites are doing is even worse. The preponderance of fabrications makes them useless, blasphemous, and harmful. They even published pictures of some poor child, alleging they were his! And what is more troubling is that I had one Daheshist (from the post 1984 generation) send me the photo, all happy that he found a picture of Doctor Dahesh as a child... !

It's becoming a CIRCUS! ... "Jerk Du Soleil" ...

And I'll tell you something else, these sites may be the reason the clock might be ticking even faster now and unbeknown to all — not the least of which are some Daheshists who know the truth about these alleged "Daheshist" web sites and yet choose to remain publicly silent about it.

As far as the Facebook group goes, it seems that it was created by a Bahai, or someone with great interest in Bahaism, going by the name Piroz Payam, because if you look at the right column, there is a list of related groups which are almost all Bahai related:

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Related Groups
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* Baha'is On Facebook.
Common Interest - Beliefs & Causes
* The Largest Baha'i Facebook Group Ever
Common Interest - Religion & Spirituality
* Bahai Faith <---------This one created by Piroz Payam with a link to MySpace Profile http://www.myspace.com/shayanbe

Yes, we visited that "Piroz Payam" (alleged) MySpace link...

One day, that 21 year old who is big fan of Gansta' Rap and money is in Santiago Chile, and another in New York, NY...

But, why should we be surprised. The owner of the AngelFire sites just finished listing even more solicitations on Craig list... (he's abbynekid@yahoo.com)

By the way, Winged Paladin, please excuse these (I hope are quiet) expressions of outrage...

The description of the group seems to quote the sectsofbahai.com site extensively, or vice versa. It becomes a question of which came first, the chicken or the egg?

These posts to the group by the other admin, Payam Parviz, are of particular interest, as I wonder what Daheshist had made such determinations and whether it is a general declarative or restricted to the Facebook group:


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Payam Parviz (New York, NY) wrote
at 12:09pm on April 30th, 2009
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Religious Daheshists will be divided into thirteen "Orders"; each one based upon a particular religion;

*Christianity
*Judaism
*Islaam
*Sikhism
*Hinduism
*Buddhism
*Jainism
*Zoroastrianism
*Confucianism
*Cao Dai
*Taoism
*Druze religion
*Baha'i Faith

Report

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Payam Parviz (New York, NY) wrote
at 12:07pm on April 30th, 2009
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THE UNITED ORDER

Dr. Dahesh was the reincarnation of Jesus Christ, and Manichaeus, and Ali ibn Talib, and Kabir, and Guru Nanak, and Rumi, and Besht (Baal Shem Tov), and Baha'u'llah, among others. He was the Sayyal ("pouring out") of the Christ-Spirit for the 20th century.

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Well, firstly, Daheshism will NOT be divided. Just on the basis of logic: The mere idea even to suggest that a Faith that calls for the UNITY of ALL religions be — itself — segmented is preposterous.

Second of all, Doctor Dahesh is NOT the reincarnation of Ali Ibn Abi Taleb (they can't even get his name straight).

Those Daheshists (still alive, and still silent) and who have had the honor of interacting with the Spirit of the mighty "Brother Ali" know the relationship between The Beloved Guiding Prophet and those who bow to him and lucky for all of us that Spirits (such as "Brother Ali") do not do anything that is not Divinely mandated...

But I can't see how any good is going to come out of this.

Case in point: Check these links out.

http://freeread.com/archives/4259.php

Then at the end of this page: http://www.freeread.com/archives/4260.php

Just look at how the reputation of the Dahehsists is being tarnished. And we can't be everywhere either! In other words, we simply cannot fight ALL the battles. That is why, we're focusing on maintaining Daheshville — a sentinel— going and growing.

In the final analysis, what is more important to the Daheshists:

That they defend the image of Doctor Dahesh and the integrity of his message or that they look the other way as desperate people believe in anything-Dahesh-related regardless of how confused, muddled, and untrue it happens to be?

By the way: One of the members of that FaceBook Daheshism group is also a member of Daheshville.

You might be interested to know that this esteemed member joined the FaceBook group — and added a positive comment — after having removed all his posts on Daheshville...