Another Darrick Assault on Daheshism

[Daheshville]

To the untrained eye, it may look that Darrick Troy Evenson is promoting Daheshism. But if you look closely, and once you realize the extent of the untruths and distortions — this and his other pages contain — you begin to realize that this is an all-out attack on Daheshism. Worse, this is an attempt to build animosity between Daheshists and the Mormon Church.

That page is filled with lies, including this claim:

" Daheshists are members of the International Spiritist Movement; with over 4 million adherents worldwide (mostly in Brazil)."

But why should we expect anything less from a man who wrote that Daheshism teaches that Jesus was Lucifer!

[zionic]

...and yet another roadside DTE attack....

Despite being told by Ghazi Brax that Baha'u'llah was a spiritual guide, DTE decided last summer that Baha'u'llah the founder of the Baha'i Faith was not a messenger of God. http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Arch.../msg00026.html

I feel a little bit of cognitive dissonance coming on. Doesn't DTE have a website or two closely associating the ministry of Baha'u'llah with that of Dr. Dahesh? And hasn't some of that material made its appearance after his denial that Baha'u'llah was one of God's messengers?

In another embodiment of DTE's thought since then he appears to be distancing whatever relationship Dr. Dahesh might have with the Baha'i Faith (and Baha'u'llah in particular) in favour of distancing the "Bab" and Baha'u'llah. But if he throws away the "Word", and the "Meaning", how long until DTE turns away from the "Gate" as well?

[Daheshville]

Straight from the Daheshville Archives

Despite being told by Ghazi Brax that Baha'u'llah was a spiritual guide, DTE decided last summer that Baha'u'llah the founder of the Baha'i Faith was not a messenger of God. http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Arch.../msg00026.html

Below is proof dated 6/11/2006 — as per DTE's own words.

http://www.daheshville.com/forum/sho...hp?p=88#post88

And if we look very closely, we would see the mention of Joseph Smith as a Spiritual Guide.

Worthy of re-mentioning: while DTE would eventually be banned for repeated "disturbance of our peace," let the record show he was not censored, nor was he banned as a consequence of his email threat to physically harm one of the members of Daheshville. In fact, he still had access privileges after that — and he did return and continued to post. It was only after his presence became counter-productive (tantamount to spamming) that the Board of Directors unanimously voted to ban him.

[WingedPaladin]

"Handwritten sign found on the wall of Blessed Mother Teresa's room"

"People are often unreasonable, illogical, and self-centered; forgive them anyway.

If you are kind, people may accuse you of selfish, ulterior motives; be kind anyway.

If you are successful, you will win some false friends and some true enemies; be successful anyway.

If you're honest and frank, people may cheat you; be honest and frank anyway.

What you spend years building, someone could destroy overnight; build anyway.

If you find serenity and happiness, others may be jealous; be happy anyway.

The good you do today, people will forget tomorrow; do good anyway.

Give the world the best you have, and it may never be enough; give your best anyway.

For you see, in the final analysis, it is between you and God. It was never between you and them anyway."

- Mother Theresa

[Ziyad]

Mario,

I thought I'd let you know that this guy is posting again on google forums.

But apparently, he wanted to post in arabic so I guess he used google translation and the result is impossible to decipher. Seems like random arabic words (maybe some persian too), couln't understand much.

This dude is really weird

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.palestine/browse_thread/thread/35ee346d87f136a7

[Ziyad]

He also posted the story of Hilda Mourad.

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.lebanon/browse_thread/thread/48d9f2c4da98fa2/3df1eb5466f4d33c#3df1eb5466f4d33c

He links to the site daheshism.com. Is this Ghazi Brax's website ? or Mounir Mourad's ?

[Loup Solitaire]

Mario,

I thought I'd let you know that this guy is posting again on google forums.

But apparently, he wanted to post in Arabic so I guess he used google translation and the result is impossible to decipher. Seems like random Arabic words (maybe some Persian too), couldn't understand much.

This dude is really weird

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.c...ee346d87f136a7

Darrick is more than weird. He is the epitome of "Evil". He is a person that preys on the gullible people who are desperately seeking God. But he is not particularly bright. When pressured he strikes out viciously. Unfortunately, in the US nuts like him are free to walk the streets. He's a racist, a bigot, a liar, a manipulator, a pervert, a slanderer, distorter, and a deviate. Other than that, he is a nice guy.

[Loup Solitaire]

He also posted the story of Hilda Mourad.

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.lebanon/browse_thread/thread/48d9f2c4da98fa2/3df1eb5466f4d33c#3df1eb5466f4d33c

He links to the site daheshism.com. Is this Ghazi Brax's website ? or Mounir Mourad's ?

That is supported by Mounir as far as I know.

[zionic]

ewwwwwww. I checked out what other places he was posting 12 Oct. He's posting in alt.energy which seems to have little about alternative energy and a whole lot about having sex with underage boys and the like. Sick.

I think he's consciously sabotaging the legacy of Dr. Dahesh. He now hates Dr. Dahesh, he just doesn't want to be caught saying so. So he allows people to easily find that he's posting porn as well. Yes, of course, the one thing that gets accomplished in a roadside DTE attack is that he turns people away from Dr. Dahesh by displaying smut.

DTE needs to stop talking about Dr. Dahesh, stop peddling porn and just relax at domai.com or something if he really needs a thrill. lol

[Loup Solitaire]

Wow!

I have thought about that for a long time. He is certainly a poster child for despicable traits and characteristics. One could be doomed simply for being in the same room with him. I have often thought of him as someone with spiritual leprosy. But wow, Alan. How did you find that one?

[Mario]

Might I suggest...

Firstly, as always, thank you Ziyad for alerting us.

Actually, and considering what transpired in the past, we've been tracking these recent (relatively-speaking) messages by Mr. Darrick Troy Evenson. However, these messages in of themselves are not any worse than what I saw in some parts of the Future TV broadcast.

It's a free Universe and he is free to repost anything that Daheshism.com or Daheshisme.org does not mind him re-using (the Hilda testimony sounds like something I might have read on the old Daheshism.com).

And the fact that he referenced the Future TV show in one of his posts is proof positive that he is reading Daheshville or Dahesh.org (being that we are the only ones, so far, to have posted, in English, information about this — for better or worse — historical event).

That being the case, I am sure Mr. Evenson has read the warning messages that are still (unfortunately) posted on the main Daheshville page: The reason these messages have not been removed, despite the fact that (practically) all (dozens upon dozen of Angelfire) web sites were removed from circulation, is because dozens upon dozens of other posts remain online. These are the scars we must all live with.

Beyond that, and unless he is clearly and maliciously attacking (to the point the police and district attorney has to get involved– as was the case in the past) and which is not the case here, might I suggest we give him some space and let him be.

Ron, Alan, as I've told you (I believe) more than once in private: Darrick is not — and never was — the real problem.

Godwilling, we'll have a chance to have further discussions. But I just want to say I am proud of all members of the Dahesh Society of America and the fact that Zaven's show recognized us against all odds (if people only knew!) is precious to me.

And, by the way, Alan, thank you for your comments regarding the DSA logo. I just wanted to add, for historical accuracy's sake that — yes — while it is true I designed it (after all, that's my area of expertise) the outcome was the result of review and deliberation. The evidence, albeit hidden from the public, is still in the DV Board of Directors' area.

Yes, Mr. Zaatar may be right in saying to Zaven that Daheshim is not organized. But, I think the DSA is MORALLY organized in the sense that — without IT — dozens upon dozens of web sites distorting Daheshism (some of which attacking Daheshists) would have remained on the air.

[Loup Solitaire]

Well Said

But if Darrick had attached himself to some other religious cause, as he also has, I would have come to the same conclusion and wanted to say the same things. I realize I am not talking for Daheshist alone, but I believe that people who abuse a religious cause for self gain, need to be exposed for who they are. Some people, for reasons I hesitate to generalize about, have difficulty in distinguishing between the real thing and fiction. Now we must admit that there are some claims made about Dr Dahesh that are difficult to comprehend. And as it has been discussed here, there are some claims about Dr Dahesh that are thought fictitious by the early supporters and witnesses of him.

The more discriminating individuals would think long and hard about any claim, and they would search deep within their own heart and soul before arriving at a conclusion. But there are some who desperately seek reinforcement that God is real. Their reasons are varied. At times Darrick can appear lucid, logical, believable. But his motivations are always self serving. I state what I state because of frustration I have over an individual who would do anything to deceive others about his true intentions in regard his religious aspirations of the day. He has done this to the Mormon faith, the Baha'i, Daheshism, and I am sure there are others that have missed my attention. It was interesting that when he attempted to move into Islam, that he got the door slammed in his face immediately. For this I respect those who slammed the door.

But there is nothing I said that is not true. Trust me, he will never ruin my day. But I will never pass up the opportunity to rebuke him as he deserves. The fact that he works both sides of the fence, one day trying to lure people into his realm through religious banter, and the next day capitalizing by baiting people into unethical sexual activities. At times he tries to portray himself as a devout believer, but then verbalizes the cancerous beliefs that dwell within his heart. I am no angel. I have made errors in my life in my personal conduct and I recall these every day. But I never thought of profiting by any way in soliciting or selling sexual services. I will one day need to account for my errors and I know I will pay a price. But I hope I can be honest with myself and with God.

[Loup Solitaire]

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Despite Darrick's activities, I believe that there will always be a group of Daheshist, even if the number is small. For myself, I am uncertain whether Dr Dahesh is a major or a minor Prophet. I apologize to Daheshist who feel otherwise. But I believe he is a Prophet. I believe that because of him I have been brought closer to my Christian roots. I believe that if a Muslim where to understand and meditate about Dr Dahesh, they may well be drawn closer to Islam. I believe that if a Mormon were to reach a better understanding of Dr Dahesh, he will be brought closer to his faith. Maybe this is why he was opposed to proselytizing. Maybe he did not want to create a new, large, popular religious movement dominated by the desire to proselytize. But he only wanted to encourage people to evaluate there relationship to God. And for the few select, there would be a new order to continue his work.

I am still struggling to understand this man who was above the fray between religious zealots. When it comes to Islam, Christianity, Judaism or Mormonism, it is inconsequential how they worship. It is only important that they perfect their relationship with God. Even most of the earliest American Immigrants, that we now call Native Americans, believed in some form of supreme being or force. Their names for this supreme force and the form that this force took varied from ethic group to group. But their beliefs had common elements. Could it have mostly been this way because they had not been fortunate enough to have had a strong and powerful prophet to lead them. Or was it that they were unencumbered with greed. It seems to me that they lived in Eden until the Europeans arrived and, then, Eden was never to be the same. It is true that some were warlike and territorial by choice. But many were peace loving, took only what they needed, held their world and its' well being in high esteem. They did not lust after land or gold or surpluses of any kind.

Despite our technology, our wealth and our comfort, too many of us have failed to come to appreciate the most fundamental of values. One such value would be the appreciation and realization of when we have all that we need. Once our needs have been met, then, immediately, it is the time to start self actualization. Instead, we work to build surpluses exceeding all comprehensible need. Even I find myself building surpluses beyond my need while there are people who went without. I think that I did this in part because there was at time in my life I found myself in possession of wealth well beyond what I needed. I was foolish enough to believe that much of this wealth would remain mine. But in a relatively short period of time, a segment of the population of this country found a creative way to relieve me of this wealth. After years, I have been able to accumulate a reserve to provide for my declining years. But now I find myself in a position that, first, I understand better how to protect myself, I have found creative ways to share, and I am more astute about what constitutes need.

It is interesting that Dr Dahesh seemed to live comfortably in spite of the periods when he was persecuted, tortured, and some say, he or one of his alternate forms was killed. Yes he wrote and published books, but he evidently had sufficient funds for collection of art and travelled extensively to see how people lived in other areas. I don't think he used trickery, witchcraft, or magic to create wealth. I suspect, like the beggar he depended upon others to provide funds or others who shared their surpluses to fund some of his activities. I could be wrong for I was not around when this happened. But it is apparent that people believed in him and his mission.

It is conceivable to me that this spirit can be revived by a group rather than an individual. What a miracle this would be. As Mario has pointed out on many occasions, this does not appear to be the case. But it is never too late. To me many miracles occur when people come together with a common cause and change history forever. It has happened many times over, and, it can happen again.

Although it may be a wasted appeal, I solicit first that people other than myself study Dr Dahesh to understand his true purpose, then reevaluate your relationship with God, then if your are indoctrinated in a religion where God is the core of that belief, go back to that religion and God. If you feel inclined stick with your faith in God, worship where you feel comfortable, look deeply for the true purpose of your faith. When your faith becomes unshakable, return to better understand how Dr Dahesh fits into the realm of God. A few may discover immense strength and courage. I believe, then and only then, might you be prepared to be a Daheshist.

Dr Dahesh was quoted as saying it took twenty years for a person to become a Daheshist. Maybe this is why. Consider this. Consider what is "perfect faith". Jesus had it. Do you?

[Ziyad]

And the fact that he referenced the Future TV show in one of his posts is proof positive that he is reading Daheshville or Dahesh.org (being that we are the only ones, so far, to have posted, in English, information about this — for better or worse — historical event).

Yes, few people post on Daheshville but I think many people read it.
I also found a reference to the Zaven show (and a link to the program and to its user's comments) on the webpage of George Henry Chakkour, author of Dahesh le prophète and of Le daheshsime à vol d'oiseau

[Ziyad]

Despite our technology, our wealth and our comfort, too many of us have failed to come to appreciate the most fundamental of values. One such value would be the appreciation and realization of when we have all that we need. Once our needs have been met, then, immediately, it is the time to start self actualization. Instead, we work to build surpluses exceeding all comprehensible need. Even I find myself building surpluses beyond my need while there are people who went without. I think that I did this in part because there was at time in my life I found myself in possession of wealth well beyond what I needed. I was foolish enough to believe that much of this wealth would remain mine. But in a relatively short period of time, a segment of the population of this country found a creative way to relieve me of this wealth. After years, I have been able to accumulate a reserve to provide for my declining years. But now I find myself in a position that, first, I understand better how to protect myself, I have found creative ways to share, and I am more astute about what constitutes need.

That's great. That's the core of every true religion. Would you mind telling us a bit more about your background and about how you initially found out about dahesh ?