Revelation and the End of the World

[WingedPaladin]

I have recently discovered http://prophecy.org/index2.htm which consists of revelations given to Raymond Aquilera since the early 1990's with interpretations by Rev. Jack Barr http://www.barr-family.com/godsword/prindex.htm concerning the events and nations involved in WWIII and God's Wrath, Warnings, and Love and the message to purify one's self be true to Jesus Christ.

http://www.holysmoke.org/sdhok/rev04.htm

Also the prophesies of Thomas S. Gibson: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/ts...heticword.html

We must pray for the spirit of discernment from God to determine the validity of these prophets.

It seems that the Bear Raymond has mentioned has made already himself and his intentions known:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZu9MML7_Cc

[Daheshville]

For the Record...

... Daheshism does not recognize anyone other than a specific group of individuals as having received "Prophecies, Visions...from Jehovah God, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit..."

Also for the record, the only other individual— other than Doctor Dahesh himself—who Daheshism recognizes as "The Prophet of the Twentieth Century" is Mahatma Gandhi.


To the best of our knowledge, Raymond Aguilera is not on that list.

That aside, true, the end is coming. But when, how, etc. we assure you that no one knows. Sure, anyone could make predictions, and somewhere someone will win the lottery (right?) but does the fact that they picked the right number make them a prophet?

Once again, this is a non debatable issue. We can't prove it and we won't believe anything other than what we already believe. Perhaps that makes us closed minded... But, this is Daheshville, and in Daheshville certain beliefs are non-debatable.

Thank you for reading. You may now enjoy the rest of the show.

[WingedPaladin]

... Daheshism does not recognize anyone other than a specific group of individuals as having received "Prophecies, Visions...from Jehovah God, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit..."

Also for the record, the only other individual— other than Doctor Dahesh himself—who Daheshism recognizes as "The Prophet of the Twentieth Century" is Mahatma Gandhi.

Thus, you have proven your loyalty to Doctor Dahesh and his recognition of Mahatma Gandhi.


I recognize Doctor Dahesh as being considered in Daheshism to be in a special class of prophet among David, Solomon, Jesus, Mohammad and that they share the same spiritual fluid(s). Confirmation to me of this has been through my dream, answers to prayers, and the presence of the Holy Ghost when reading "Memoirs of Jesus of Nazareth" I am not certain who is all included in the "specific group of individuals" of which you have stated, but I glean from your comment that Ghandi and the other prophets I have mentioned in this paragraph are among those. Doctor Dahesh not only provided revelations, but also provided Miracles as allowed by God, attributed all of these miracles to God and his will admitting that he could do nothing of himself, and others received revelations to confirm his calling.

(Having known about Joseph Smith, the revelations he received, miracles that were performed through him, giving all of the glory to God, and others receiving revelations concerning his calling as prophet, to my understanding, are marks of a true prophet. One more mark: selfless love)

(While in deep study of his life, I believe have felt the presence of Joseph Smith on more than one occasion. I could feel he was very happy and bright and his smile was brimming.)


I have not posted this to suggest Daheshists should now follow Raymond Aguilera. I don't think even Raymond is suggesting everyone should follow after him.

Raymond's main message seems to be to follow Jesus Christ and only Jesus Christ and beware of false prophets and false churches. Even Raymond must be tested. From what I have read of the revelations given to him, they seem to be in harmony with the message of the Bible and of Doctor Dahesh. I also noticed Raymond was getting these messages after Doctor Dahesh's passing. This is why I have posted it.



I see the loyalty of those of many faiths to their prophets as being their main and sometimes only connection to God: Muslims to Mohammad, Bahais to Bahaullah, Mormons to Joseph Smith and succeeding prophets and apostles, Christians to their priests and pastors, etc.

All that claim to be prophets and spiritual leaders must be tested. False prophets and priests are a dime a dozen. I have met some of them in person who pose to be the light because they have had a special spiritual experience, are spiritually awake, graduated from a school of scripture or theology, etc. but who later surprised me by denying the divinity and special mission of Jesus Christ as being "the way, the truth, and the life" and the only way back to the Father, by saying that Jesus was not really coming back, or by denying the possibility of modern revelation and miracles from God. Many of the false prophets request or require money for their preaching services along with those that make promises of miracles and forgiveness of sins with payment. Many claim that Hell does not exist or that Heaven does not exist and that the only God there is is our higher selves. Many look to stars, crystals, and ancestors for guidance. Following after a false prophet could mean Hell for those who are deceived.


These have been my observations:

There are many here who have had dreams of Doctor Dahesh. There are many around the world, Muslims included, who are having wonderful dreams and visions of Jesus Christ and are being filled the love of Heavenly Father through the Holy Ghost. Due to this, they are being converted to Christ and Christianity. Converts from Christianity to Muslim and Muhammad seem to be based, rather than spiritual experience, more upon the idea that since Muhammad came after Jesus, his message must be more correct and that Muslims show more signs of worship. There are many around the world, both Christian and Muslim, who are suffering and dying for their cause.

It was a huge stretch for me to see Dahesh as being one of six of the main spiritual fluids of Christ and even Gandhi as a true prophet. I had grown up believing that the prophets Joseph Smith through President Monson were the only true prophets called of God. I still believe them to be true prophets called of God.

"Now, what do we hear in the gospel which we have received? A voice of gladness! A voice of mercy from heaven; and a voice of truth out of the earth; glad tidings for the dead; a voice of gladness for the living and the dead; glad tidings of great joy. How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of those that bring glad tidings of good things, and that say unto Zion: Behold, thy God reigneth! As the dews of Carmel, so shall the knowledge of God descend upon them!" Doctrine and Covenants D&C 128:19

This scripture caused me to question the "only" claim. Reading this meant to me that Joseph Smith might not be the only one who would be hearing from and knowing God. Who are they upon whom the knowledge of God descended? What does the phrase "As the dews of Carmel" mean? Is that the location? Mt. Carmel? So is this scripture alluding to the Bahais as some have asserted? Or does this mean that the message of Joseph Smith concerning the restored Gospel of Jesus Christ will spread throughout the world, as the dews of Carmel? There are many questions I have which still remain in the arena of faith rather than a sure knowledge.

When it comes to missionary work, Daheshville seems to take on a passive stance. If people happen upon it and believe, great, if they do not find out or do and don't accept it, so be it. I understand why Daheshville takes this stance because the message of Dahesh is freedom to choose and that Doctor Daheshes Doctrines and Philosophies are so spiritually deep, that they can be difficult for many to grasp or accept. Daheshville has also been through some rough times.

From everything I have known about Jesus Christ, His message has been to proclaim and testify to all the world that He is the Savior and Redeemer of the world and that we must repent, follow Him, love and help your neighbor, and do the Will of the Father to be saved.

If salvation should come only to those who today recognize, accept, and follow Doctor Dahesh as Christ, then a tiny tiny percentage from this world would be saved if any since so few know about him. If it is only to faithful Mormons, then that percentage is slightly larger. If it is only for those who have faith in and strict obedience to Jesus Christ and do the will of the Father, then the percentage may be larger still since so many more know of Him and believe in Him.

I read about a Christian man who died and talked with Jesus. He found that his Muslim friend had been saved in Heaven while a Christian woman he had worked with had not. He was confused about this and Jesus explained to Him that his Muslim friend died, and finding that Mohammad could not help him, cried to Jesus to save him so Jesus did. The woman, however, could not forgive those who did not visit her in the hospital, so she would not be saved. The Christian man was sent back to tell about his experience.

I really want to get this right. I do not want to end up in Hell. I have already had a taste of its extreme pain and horror. I've really been shaken up about this recently which has caused me to wonder and to keep looking for more information. I have been praying a lot for guidance and for help in becoming one with God and His Christ, but I know I am far from praying as much as I should be praying and from doing as much as I should be doing. I am still trying to figure this all out.

What Mormonism, the Bahais, Doctor Dahesh, and Raymond have all taught me is how much I need to get my act together, believe in God and Jesus Christ, cling to all that is good, true, and right, and abandon all that is evil, false, and worldly, and do good to all mankind.

[Daheshville]

Your reply is filled with a wealth of information. Here is one reply to a particular passage you wrote...

If salvation should come only to those who today recognize, accept, and follow Doctor Dahesh as Christ, then a tiny tiny percentage from this world would be saved if any. If it is only to faithful Mormons, then that percentage is slightly larger. If it is only for those who have faith in and strict obedience to Jesus Christ and do the will of the Father, then the percentage may be larger still since so many more know of Him and believe in Him.

Have you read the story regarding this business concerning a Daheshist respecting other people's faith?

Here is the summary: According to what Doctor Dahesh wrote, a Daheshist must respect other people's faiths and not meddle... Even if that "people" worship Stone, and see God through the Stone ... in other words, if a Daheshist were to land on a remote island and bump into the natives who still worship according to their *true* prophets from (probably) thousands of years ago, that Daheshist must NOT interfere.

So what does that say?

To us, it is clear: A Christian must be a good Christian, A Muslim must be a good Muslim, and so and and so forth... All of them will be saved.

Meanwhile...The Spiritual Fluid from Jesus Christ has returned and he was Dahesh.
And he is NOT coming back in THIS cycle—physically, that is.

Instead...

In Father Noah's letter, we read that the SIX GUIDES will appear on judgment day.

Now, why do certain people become Daheshists? It is safe to say that it has to do with Spiritual Fluids wanting to join Daheshism.

That is why Daheshville has a passive approach. But, make no mistake about it, we tell it like it is once you're inside and you put your trust in our hands.

The bottom line is: Anyone—who as much as hints they are getting messages from God—must be AVOIDED at all costs.

It is one thing to share in private (or even in public) Dreams... In fact, many people have dreams that end up being prophetic. If anything, this proves that many are in fact "tuned" into the higher network of Spiritual Fluids.

But such individuals should refuse to be quoted as prophets who receive messages from God.

There is a fine line between appearing modest and secretly wanting to brainwash people... for all the "good" reasons...

And, once again, there is no way you can test OTHER than seeing actual MIRACLES.

And if you kept up to date with this whole issue concerning the Virgin Birth, you're then familiar with how upset Christ was with the fact people adopted this myth... So imagine if we wrongly suggest that a person comes from Christ...

[Johnson]

When it comes to missionary work, Daheshville seems to take on a passive stance. If people happen upon it and believe, great, if they do not find out or do and don't accept it, so be it. I understand why Daheshville takes this stance because the message of Dahesh is freedom to choose and that Doctor Daheshes Doctrines and Philosophies are so spiritually deep, that they can be difficult for many to grasp or accept. Daheshville has also been through some rough times.

From everything I have known about Jesus Christ, His message has been to proclaim and testify to all the world that He is the Savior and Redeemer of the world and that we must repent, follow Him, love and help your neighbor, and do the Will of the Father to be saved.

If salvation should come only to those who today recognize, accept, and follow Doctor Dahesh as Christ, then a tiny tiny percentage from this world would be saved if any since so few know about him. If it is only to faithful Mormons, then that percentage is slightly larger. If it is only for those who have faith in and strict obedience to Jesus Christ and do the will of the Father, then the percentage may be larger still since so many more know of Him and believe in Him.

We as Daheshists and those here on Daheshville have never stated nor implied that only Daheshists shall be "saved"... The complexities of faith and devotion and spirituality go far, far beyond what one believes. What one believes is just part of a framework of the many complexities of who we are. What one believes is frankly no guarantee of anything. Our individually recognized system of belief is only the beginning.

Prophecy and predictions are a matter of reality so far beyond our human comprehension that it is difficult to talk about it other than in the abstract. "Prophecies" are not singular events that can be called out of the thin air as future facts independent of the happenings of the universe as a whole. Everything in the universe moves together as a whole and every part is connected as a uniform piece... from the worms in the soil to the spiritual beings in galaxies far, far away...

Within in this interconnection and the spiritual musings of the worms, the rocks and us and every other entity in the universe, this collective movement moves through time and space as a collective whole. Maybe this intricate balance in pushed over the edge and today is "The End" because one worm was rude to another worm and that was last straw in the delicate balance of the universe. Multiply this by the number of worms and every other entity in the universe, and well, the math is mind numbing...

On the other hand, maybe this one worm showed benevolence to the other worm, and we all as citizens of planet universe are granted another day to be our best to ourselves and one another...

In the end, what matters is our intent... our true inner efforts of being real with ourselves... true to the matters of our inner spirits that we often even try to hide from ourselves... This inner struggle and growth and turmoil is true to all of us whether we honor Dr. Dahesh as our Beloved, Guiding Prophet... or we live on that little island that sees God through a stone.

[WingedPaladin]

In Father Noah's letter, we read that the SIX GUIDES will appear on judgment day.
...
The bottom line is: Anyone—who as much as hints they are getting messages from God—must be AVOIDED at all costs.

It is one thing to share in private (or even in public) Dreams... In fact, many people have dreams that end up being prophetic. If anything, this proves that many are in fact "tuned" into the higher network of Spiritual Fluids.

But such individuals should refuse to be quoted as prophets who receive messages from God.
....
And, once again, there is no way you can test OTHER than seeing actual MIRACLES.

Yes, this is the part I am confused about. How did we get Noah's letter? When I pray with a question, my prayers get answered. (I'm starting to think, sheesh, since I am finding myself with more questions, I need to do this more.) It is hard for me to believe that God would be almost silent and would refuse to communicate except to a select few - my prayers get answered and God's messages in priesthood blessings are common. Although most LDS believe they can receive personal revelation and revelation concerning those in their stewardship, most believe there can only be one person called as prophet of the church and of the world at a time. (Since this is the case, I suppose I and LDS who believe in continuing revelation and personal revelation should be avoided.) Most LDS believe they do not receive revelation for those outside their stewardship (except in the case where one asks for a priesthood blessing and those who have stewardship for the individual are unavailable). There have been instances in the church where there were people who were not called as the prophet of the church who claimed to be the real prophet and demanded that LDS start following him as prophet. It is these people we try to avoid.

Miracles, I believe, is a good test, but it is fallible. Magicians are cropping up who are able to mimic miracles (i.e. Chris Angel who walks on water) which is causing people to believe Jesus Christ was merely a magician. It has been said that the False Prophet of the Antichrist will fool many by his miracles.

Hence it is crucial to have discernment to know what comes from above and what comes from below.

Although there are many miracles that happen in the LDS faith, missionaries don't try to convert people based on seeing miracles and the leaders don't talk a lot about miracles they have seen happen as they consider such to be sacred and personal. Most of the miracles that happen in the church are miracles of healing rather than miracles of bending the laws of physics. The experience of the church has been that those who see miracles and visions of angels, etc. are more likely to fall away than those who received a witness to their heart through the Holy Ghost. This, we believe, is because the miracles and visions appease the physical senses, while the Holy Ghost speaks to the soul.

I really appreciate this discussion, all of your input and view points.

[Johnson]

Miracles, I believe, is a good test, but it is fallible. Magicians are cropping up who are able to mimic miracles (i.e. Chris Angel who walks on water) which is causing people to believe Jesus Christ was merely a magician. It has been said that the False Prophet of the Antichrist will fool many by his miracles.

I think we need to more clearly define the nomenclature here so that there is no confusion amongst ourselves or others reading here...

REAL miracles are not fallible. Magicians perform tricks and illusions... For those that want to blend the two and come to the conclusion that Jesus or Dahesh was a "magician" and therefore they were just ordinary men with ordinary ideals with the intent to fool or influence people in some way for their own purposes... well, while this saddens me (for there own sake), that is their right and free will to come to those conclusions.

Yes, there are many "false prophets" and so on... and as people are, so they shall be ruled, and so they shall be influenced.

[WingedPaladin]

I think we need to more clearly define the nomenclature here so that there is no confusion amongst ourselves or others reading here...

REAL miracles are not fallible. Magicians perform tricks and illusions... For those that want to blend the two and come to the conclusion that Jesus or Dahesh was a "magician" and therefore they were just ordinary men with ordinary ideals with the intent to fool or influence people in some way for their own purposes... well, while this saddens me (for there own sake), that is their right and free will to come to those conclusions.

Yes, there are many "false prophets" and so on... and as people are, so they shall be ruled, and so they shall be influenced.

I agree. Real miracles are not fallible. The task is then determining which miracle is real and which is the counterfeit.

I did have a dream this past week where in the dream I was with two other people and they were on the topic of prophets. One of them said that one could prophesy without being a prophet. The other asked me if I was a prophet. I answered I was not a prophet like Joseph Smith. Then I wondered if I had given the wrong answer since I felt weird after saying that.

We as Daheshists and those here on Daheshville have never stated nor implied that only Daheshists shall be "saved"...

I had gleaned this from the dream Salim had in "Born Again With Dr. Dahesh" where he saw that only those who believed in the Doctor were saved and everyone else was in extreme torment. When he told his dream to the Doctor, the Doctor simply replied, that it was an interesting dream, but did not seem to say anything to confirm its validity. However, this dream did cause me to go yikes.

Thank you for the story about the worms. It reminds me of how simple life really is. Part of me thinks I know too much for my own good. The other part of me thinks I don't know enough and drives me to learn more. I believe we are judged according to the light we have received and our response to that light. Part of me says, "Well then, I don't want to learn anymore" and the other part says, "You must learn. The glory of God is intelligence."

[Johnson]

The more we learn... the more we realize how much more we need to learn. And the more we know, the more we are responsible for... And so it goes... and so it goes...

[Loup Solitaire]

Thus, you have proven your loyalty to Doctor Dahesh and his recognition of Mahatma Gandhi.


I recognize Doctor Dahesh as being considered in Daheshism to be in a special class of prophet among David, Solomon, Jesus, Mohammad and that they share the same spiritual fluid(s). Confirmation to me of this has been through my dream, answers to prayers, and the presence of the Holy Ghost when reading "Memoirs of Jesus of Nazareth" I am not certain who is all included in the "specific group of individuals" of which you have stated, but I glean from your comment that Ghandi and the other prophets I have mentioned in this paragraph are among those. Doctor Dahesh not only provided revelations, but also provided Miracles as allowed by God, attributed all of these miracles to God and his will admitting that he could do nothing of himself, and others received revelations to confirm his calling.

(Having known about Joseph Smith, the revelations he received, miracles that were performed through him, giving all of the glory to God, and others receiving revelations concerning his calling as prophet, to my understanding, are marks of a true prophet. One more mark: selfless love)

(While in deep study of his life, I believe have felt the presence of Joseph Smith on more than one occasion. I could feel he was very happy and bright and his smile was brimming.)


I have not posted this to suggest Daheshists should now follow Raymond Aguilera......

Raymond's main message seems to be to follow Jesus Christ and only Jesus Christ ...........

I see the loyalty of those of many faiths to their prophets as being their main and sometimes only connection to God: Muslims to Mohammad, Bahais to Bahaullah, Mormons to Joseph Smith and succeeding prophets and apostles, Christians to their priests and pastors, etc.

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These have been my observations:

There are many here who have had dreams of Doctor Dahesh. There are many around the world, Muslims included, who are having wonderful dreams and visions of Jesus Christ and are being filled the love of Heavenly Father through the Holy Ghost. Due to this, they are being converted to Christ and Christianity. Converts from Christianity to Muslim and Muhammad seem to be based, rather than spiritual experience, more upon the idea that since Muhammad came after Jesus, his message must be more correct and that Muslims show more signs of worship. There are many around the world, both Christian and Muslim, who are suffering and dying for their cause.

It was a huge stretch for me to see Dahesh as being one of six of the main spiritual fluids of Christ and even Gandhi as a true prophet. I had grown up believing that the prophets Joseph Smith through President Monson were the only true prophets called of God. I still believe them to be true prophets called of God.

"Now, what do we hear in the gospel which we have received? A voice of gladness! A voice of mercy from heaven; and a voice of truth out of the earth; glad tidings for the dead; a voice of gladness for the living and the dead; glad tidings of great joy. How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of those that bring glad tidings of good things, and that say unto Zion: Behold, thy God reigneth! As the dews of Carmel, so shall the knowledge of God descend upon them!" Doctrine and Covenants D&C 128:19

This scripture caused me to question the "only" claim. Reading this meant to me that Joseph Smith might not be the only one who would be hearing from and knowing God. Who are they upon whom the knowledge of God descended? What does the phrase "As the dews of Carmel" mean? Is that the location? Mt. Carmel? So is this scripture alluding to the Bahais as some have asserted? Or does this mean that the message of Joseph Smith concerning the restored Gospel of Jesus Christ will spread throughout the world, as the dews of Carmel? There are many questions I have which still remain in the arena of faith rather than a sure knowledge.

When it comes to missionary work, Daheshville seems to take on a passive stance. If people happen upon it and believe, great, if they do not find out or do and don't accept it, so be it. I understand why Daheshville takes this stance because the message of Dahesh is freedom to choose and that Doctor Dahesh's Doctrines and Philosophies are so spiritually deep, that they can be difficult for many to grasp or accept. Daheshville has also been through some rough times.

From everything I have known about Jesus Christ, His message has been to proclaim and testify to all the world that He is the Savior and Redeemer of the world and that we must repent, follow Him, love and help your neighbor, and do the Will of the Father to be saved.

If salvation should come only to those who today recognize, accept, and follow Doctor Dahesh as Christ, then a tiny tiny percentage from this world would be saved if any since so few know about him. If it is only to faithful Mormons, then that percentage is slightly larger. If it is only for those who have faith in and strict obedience to Jesus Christ and do the will of the Father, then the percentage may be larger still since so many more know of Him and believe in Him.

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I really want to get this right. I do not want to end up in Hell. I have already had a taste of its extreme pain and horror. I've really been shaken up about this recently which has caused me to wonder and to keep looking for more information. I have been praying a lot for guidance and for help in becoming one with God and His Christ, but I know I am far from praying as much as I should be praying and from doing as much as I should be doing. I am still trying to figure this all out.

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I don't know if can further enhance this discussion. I first want to clarify, before I stumbled across Dr Dahesh, I was a Lutheran who had converted to Catholicism. I had, foremost, a strong belief in God. Christ was important in my life. The information that I have discovered while learning about Dr Dahesh has enriched my Christian understanding, my tolerance for other faiths, and my personal moral strength.

I feel justified in integrating teachings of Dr Dahesh into my own system of beliefs. Although I find the Pope not to be infallible, I can still function within a church that worships God and gives focus to Christ. There are in my life role models who are Catholic (living and deceased).

One concept I have adopted from my study of Dr Dahesh is that what I do with my life is more important than what all the self proclaimed "Prophets" claim we should be worried about. If the world ends tomorrow, it's OK as long as I have done my best up to the last second. That's because Dr Dahesh has given us hope of reincarnation even if earth ceases to exist.

[WingedPaladin]

http://www.ki4u.com/unthinkable.htm
http://www.ki4u.com/survive/doomsday.htm

[Daheshville]

So these links — in the final analysis — are designed to make us purchase their product...

Here is the summary as we see it:

"You can survive a nuclear holocaust, provided you have our early detection system. All major credit cards accepted!"

Take it from us, no one could possibly believe in "doomsday" more than the founders of Daheshville. They've even mentioned it on a couple of occasions...

But, that's only one element.

If you spent time with Doctor Dahesh (and through us, you have ONE degree of separation) you would have noticed that RARELY he would have mentioned Doomsday.

Does that mean we should ignore it?

Of course not. But we're here to tell you (evidently, over and over again) that there is NOTHING you can do because (and according to Daheshist SCRIPTURE) Doomsday is the grand Finale... Please re-read Father Noah's letter.

You see, if WE (for example) put that much time worrying about it, do you think we would be able to concentrate on such things as bringing you the Daheshist Symbol Movies?

Here is our take on the matter: what we don't finish in this life cycle, we can only hope that God grants us the ability to return and continue. We live the moment to its fullest as if it was our last.

THAT is the TRUE Daheshist way of living and being. (Within the accepted rules of behavior deemed moral and spiritual... to US, for Heaven knows many consider US—the founders of Daheshville—to be evil!)

We must strike a balance between holding on and letting go.

[WingedPaladin]

The LDS view of personal revelation.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I am reminded of the need to be prepared AND trust and have faith in God. Thank you for the reminder to live life to its fullest instead of in fear.


Receiving Personal Revelation by Bruce R. McConkie (Apostle)

[Johnson]

Here is our take on the matter: what we don't finish in this life cycle, we can only hope that God grants us the ability to return and continue. We live the moment to its fullest as if it was our last.

THAT is the TRUE Daheshist way of living and being. (Within the accepted rules of behavior deemed moral and spiritual... to US, for Heaven knows many consider US—the founders of Daheshville—to be evil!)

We must strike a balance between holding on and letting go.

This in a beautiful nutshell is one of the core essences of Daheshism... advanced studies course, granted, but a core belief none the less.

We are all already in this very life, living a "reincarnation"... this process is a fundamental building block of the universe. Winged, your grandmother sounds like a wonderful lady... I have very fond memories of my grandmother as well... she was a very smart, elegant, spiritually aware lady... I think of her often... she lived to nearly 101 years old.

I lost both my parents when I was about 20 years old... these events are now some 27 years past... am I still connected to them? Yes, spiritually, there is still a thread that links us together... my actions here on earth, spiritually affect them wherever they are today. Are they "in heaven?" Are they in some other existence, in some other world? They in fact may already be back here on earth, as 26 year olds, living a life somewhere... known or unknown to me. Maybe there was a person who held the door for me today, that by doing so, helped me from dropping what I was carrying... we just smiled at one another and went on our merry ways... maybe that smiling young person was someone known to me from earlier in my life...

I don't know the wondrous balance and interactions of all these amazing processes of life. Now take this current reincarnation scenario and factor in our great grand parents, and so on and so on and so on... it almost defies comprehension (well actually, it DOES defy comprehension...)

What I am saying is that we are already living in a reincarnation... as we have so many, many times (thousands) before. In general, I believe that people we are close to and feel a love or affinity toward... have been in our lives to some capacity in the past... and by God's grace, shall always be a part of of live(s)... as a parent, a child, a grandparent... even a place or a pet... all have a bonding familiarity. This is all significant... and we need to live and cherish these things always.

There is no good bye... there is only love.

[Johnson]

To get back on topic of "The End"... Yes, there will be a cleansing, a closing of the story that began with the cycle of Adam... The story begins with Adam and ends with Dahesh... That is the "I am the alpha and the omega" line in the Bible... they are one.

However, there will be another story beginning... as there always will be. There was a cycle that ended before Adam and a new cycle of life and legacy began with Adam... There will be a new cycle of legacy after ours ends.

Adam and Eve's children got married and had children of their own... Cain ran off to live with the people in the land of Nod... got married and had children. Who did Adam and Eve's children marry? There were other people on earth...

What does the "end of the world" mean to us? Well, if we mean our death... well, that we already know, physically is inevitable... the question then kind of is, "when?" or "with whom?"... this we don't know... it could be a car accident tomorrow, it could be cancer next year... it could be a "random" act of violence (no act is random)...

I don't know if can further enhance this discussion. I first want to clarify, before I stumbled across Dr Dahesh, I was a Lutheran who had converted to Catholicism. I had, foremost, a strong belief in God. Christ was important in my life. The information that I have discovered while learning about Dr Dahesh has enriched my Christian understanding, my tolerance for other faiths, and my personal moral strength.

I feel justified in integrating teachings of Dr Dahesh into my own system of beliefs. Although I find the Pope not to be infallible, I can still function within a church that worships God and gives focus to Christ. There are in my life role models who are Catholic (living and deceased).

One concept I have adopted from my study of Dr Dahesh is that what I do with my life is more important than what all the self proclaimed "Prophets" claim we should be worried about. If the world ends tomorrow, it's OK as long as I have done my best up to the last second. That's because Dr Dahesh has given us hope of reincarnation even if earth ceases to exist.

Ron, your words have GREATLY enhanced this discussion...

What can we do? We DO OUR BEST UP TO THE VERY LAST SECOND. We LIVE! That is what we do. We give thanks for the life in front of us and the life behind us... We live with empathy and compassion and love... We try to face ourselves with truth and be the best we can be...

The rest, whether there is an "end" or not... is, as it always has been, ultimately in the hands of God.