Dreams

[Loup Solitaire]

This post is for Mario. The subject is regarding to responsibility of the actions of the individual in dreams. I ask this question of you because of the meaning you sometimes assign to dreams. Many of us tend to think that dreams are not real and are inconsequential. By that I mean if I lust or commit adultery in a dream or worse murder, it is an inconsequential act. Especially if it is not something I do not consciously desire when I'm awake. Do you think Dr Dahesh had an opinion about that? Do you think he had a theory about cause and effect about things in the subconscious? Do you have any thoughts? What about you Dave? Anyone else?

[Mario]

Do I personally think that he had an opinion/theory/revelation(s) about the issue of cause and effect pertaining to dreams?

Yes I do.

That being said, I'll give you my personal take on the matter:

I believe everything we experience in the dream state has to be "real" in some dimension or another, to which (at least) one of our Spiritual Fluids had traveled to and fro.

Or, it might be what some of spiritual fluids (either in higher or lower worlds) are feeling, doing, or thinking of doing.

That being said, am I responsible if I see myself commit murder in a dream, even though in this *reality* I might be a law abiding citizen with peaceful tendencies?

I would tend to think that, yes, at some level, I am responsible.

Why? Because, after all, I am linked to these Spirtual Fluids and their suffering (should that be the case) or punishment will (whether I want it or not) affect me in this dimension.

That is why, for example, I might feel a sense of confusion, or anxiety... or... say... suddenly, everything starts to go wrong when I least expect it.

What is the most asked (and probably unanswered) question that any human being asks?

"Why am here?" followed by "What is the meaning of my life?"

There is a piece by Doctor Dahesh in which we clearly learn how anxiety (driven by a fear of the unknown) can be (officially) an trip to the Inferno.

So thoughts, dreams, etc. are all to be taken seriously.

As for the things we (seemingly) can't control (such as dreaming we're doing something totally contrary to who we really are in real life), all I can say is : pray to God that whatever we saw in our dream(s) would end on a better note. Once again, my theory being that what we see is somehow linked to another dimension, and with consequences that could (for example) manifest themselves as merely feeling the blues, or ... who knows...

You see, there is also the *test* element of *all of this*.

And what do I mean by that?

Simply stated: A human being that sincerely puts his or her fate in the hands of the Creator (or the Creating Force) ESPECIALLY when times are rough, is on the right track.

In my experience, it is easy to pontificate and/or throw advice left and right... or to apply (or seem to apply) a higher standard of Morality, when things are good.

In other words, it is easy telling other people that they should stand up for what is right, even if it means losing everything they own, when someone else is paying the bills.

Not to infer that those who are better off are unworthy or that they should be resented. Far from it. In fact, if every person judged his or herself based on his or her own benchmarks, the world would be a better place.

Only that (sometimes) the real test occurs when good times seem to be here again, and forever. And suddenly, the bottom will fall off... Everything will go wrong... and that's when "Faith" is tested.

This brings us to the issue of acceptance, to stop the fight, to accept, with modesty and humility.

Of course, that does not mean that people can take advantage of us and of our fears... which is exactly why "Religion" in general is in trouble, and why it is so hard to find people we can confine in (in general).

Now, most probably, none of what I have said is helping relieve any fear or anxiety that anyone (who just *randomly* crossed path with this thread) is feeling.

That is where this issue of "Community" comes into play.

Words alone are mere words.

In fact, if the Doctor didn't feel that Daheshists (as in, "people living and teaching Daheshism to the best of their abilities) were important, then he would have simply relied upon the books. No?

Yet, books alone don't work.

Community... That's where it's at...

It's the true feeling that we are not alone and that there are others who aspire to the values we aspire to, and whose life experiences are things we can appreciate, admire, and learn from.

Sure, even envy... in a GOOD way. And I believe there IS such a thing as "Healthy competition" versus the ... other kind.

[Loup Solitaire]

Do I personally think that he had an opinion/theory/revelation(s) about the issue of cause and effect pertaining to dreams?

Yes I do.

That being said, I'll give you my personal take on the matter:

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Community... That's where it's at...

It's the true feeling that we are not alone and that there are others who aspire to the values we aspire to, and whose life experiences are things we can appreciate, admire, and learn from.

Thanks Mario, I found your response very interesting. I've been having some very edgy dreams lately that have caused me given me some raw pleasure and some angst. What has taken place in these dreams has involved me doing things that are out of character for me. The realism has been disturbing.

What is strange is, stress has been high in my life now and maybe this is my ego's way of reacting by taking me on a journey. Maybe a little more prayerful meditation would help to focus my energy on more positive things.

But you are right, community, is a place to hash things out, gain support, gather energy, it is a good thing.

Dave, what do you think? Are you out there? Who else has something to contribute?

[Johnson]

Hi Ron… this is a great topic and one that I think will become ever more significant as time goes on.

Obviously, there are endless books that have been written that speculate what dreams may mean as well as books on how to “interpret” them. Here in Daheshville, we try not to deal so much in speculation, but more of what we know, and what can we possibly concur from this knowledge.

Dreams, I believe are a tremendously significant part of our lives… even though once we wake up, more often than not, we either don’t remember them or else they quickly fade from memory as soon as we get a drink of water. But then, as you mention, Ron, there are those dreams that just stay with us…and we ponder them over and over… looking for some relevance.

In some Indian cultures, "Dream Time" is reality and our waking days are the dream... now THERE is a perspective to consider...

So how can we tie all this in to what we understand in Daheshism? Mario’s analysis obviously is spot on. Everything comes down to our spiritual fluids…and their effects upon us… pulling us up, and pulling us down.

Are the “events” in our dreams any less real than the events that what our waking lives tell us are real? No, I venture they are not. And our dream events in fact are probably more connected to us than we may ever understand.

In my own mind I kind of have some categories that I catalogue various dreams in to. One thing I would recommend is the keeping of a journal of ones' dreams. Firstly, it helps to remember them… it is amazing how fleeting even significant details of dreams fade away over time. Secondly, sometimes (at least I have found) what might seem to be a really “weird” dream can at a later date, actually start to make some sense.

I want to clarify that these are kind of my own observations, and as such may be completely useless and irrelevant to others… so your individual mileage may vary...

ANXIETY DREAMS… These are quite common for me… the usual scenario is that I am showing up in a college classroom and there is a test being given that I had no idea about. The “stress” of reading the exam and not knowing any of the answers, usually wakes me up… and then I thank God that THAT is over!… but the anxiety still lingers. What does this kind of dream mean? Maybe it means I still have “issues” within myself that I still need to deal with… (ok, I can accept that...) These types of dreams do tend to keep one diligently introspective.

WARNING DREAMS… These are the kind of dreams that I see some sort of warning about some person or some event. Most of the ones I remember have been about clients that I have had. These dreams have run the gamut from the dream showing me not expend any waking energy at all worrying about some action a client may take against me, to forewarning me to take some pre-emptive action against another client for what they may potentially do… and actually ended up doing.

THE BIG DREAMS…These are dreams where they are REAL beyond real and have filled me with such amazement when they occur. These can be from seeing and being with Dr. Dahesh to a dream I have had of seeing a walking amidst a community of a REAL Daheshville…(myself and others have written about such dreams here in Daheshville). These particular dreams had a reality and physicality that rivals my waking existence. They are vibrant and tactile and every sense is accentuated. I don’t know how else to explain them… when you have one, you KNOW you have had one of these… Sometimes these dreams involve flying, sometimes they involve what I have perceived as time travel... mind blowing stuff to be sure... and nothing short of inspiring.

THE WEIRD STUFF… These are the ones you remember, but they just leave you scratching your head for days. The setting is weird, the colors are weird…sometimes I look in the mirror in the dream and see myself, but I do not look at all like I know myself to look like. And yes, sometimes, I see myself doing things that I think are quite out of character with my waking more “controlled” self. But, are we really all that detached from these dreams and dream actions? I propose, that no, we are not. Maybe they are a spiritual warning to us, acted out in a manner that could only personally speak to us. Maybe they illuminate something for us to be more cognizant of… of things deep in our character we need to work on… maybe there is a renegade fluid of ours, out there, somewhere in the universe, actually doing these things... I don't know.

That is kind of an overview of my dream thoughts and experiences.

So what you may ask is the BIG PICTURE of all this...

Well, firstly, I am sure that in time many separate disciplines of study will be brought together under one new, more unified theory... where things are explained and better understood in terms of spiritual fluids. Psychology and character studies will more clearly define ones' tendencies by their spiritual fluid inclinations. Physics will define the laws of the universe by energies and attractions using these same spiritual fluid references.

And not to seemingly get too far off topic of the question at hand, but this sort of brings everything full circle... And that is that EVERYTHING is spiritual... and as such, spiritual fluids permeate every single aspect of our known existence.

As such, Daheshism will in time, not just be a spiritual movement in the "religious" sense, but rather a full cultural changing movement affecting a rethinking and reawakening to how EVERYTHING is ultimately tied together... and that our spiritual awareness should be a constant, diligent and perpetual thing... whether we are "awake" or "sleeping"...

[Loup Solitaire]

Dreaming is a puzzle

In my life I have had varied experiences with dreaming. Some dreams have been absolutely meaningless. I could only guess that they are an attempt by my brain to reorganize useless information. But at other times, my dreams are like adventuresome stories with travel to strange places unlike anything I have ever experienced, with people I have never met. These places don't even seem like earth because the climate is too erratic and the geography is too strange. Sometimes they are about dramatic or,..... not so dramatic encounters with people that I know or have known. Sometimes, they appear to be attempts at problem solving. More than once they have been truly prophetic. There have been times when I have gone months, seemingly, without dreaming at all.

I am beginning to believe that our dream activity may well be an indicator of our spiritual connectivity. Connectivity to people and things in this world and others. I know for me, dream activity varies. As dream activity varies, so does my sense of spiritual connectivity. If I am correct, it would be interesting to know how to control this.

I wonder if there is anyone else who has noticed a relationship between dream activity and a sense of spiritual connectivity? What experiences have you had?

[Johnson]

I seem to recall something that I had either read or was conveyed to me that Dr. Dahesh wrote/said that in death... it was like "waking up" from a long dream... or words to that effect.

What could this maybe tell us? Maybe what seems as a "real" existence here is just one of many such dreams our TRUE SELF wakes up from when our spiritual tenure here on earth is complete...

[Johnson]

I am beginning to believe that our dream activity may well be an indicator of our spiritual connectivity. Connectivity to people and things in this world and others. I know for me, dream activity varies. As dream activity varies, so does my sense of spiritual connectivity. If I am correct, it would be interesting to know how to control this.

I wonder if there is anyone else who has noticed a relationship between dream activity and a sense of spiritual connectivity? What experiences have you had?

If one thinks of THIS life as "dream activity" as well...and connect that with the belief that all things are spiritual... then yes, everything is connected... and there are spiritual reasons for everything... then yes, everything IS an indicator of spiritual connectivity... because EVERYTHING is spiritually connected~! (wow... I got dizzy on that circular thinking as well...)

How to "control" our dreams? I think in some ways we can... although, I admit, sometimes some dreams seem like we are just passive observers, just "letting" things happen. And maybe herein lies a root of a piece of our inherent weaknesses...

Maybe in our dreams we need to me more aware, more actively aggressive toward changing the nature of the things we are passively observing ourselves doing. How do we accomplish this? Truthfully... I have no idea...

BUT... we can effect these changes (however subtle) in our "waking" lives... I do believe that our strengths and weaknesses and other baggage travel with us in our dreams... and sometimes... these new awareness' from our "waking" lives help us to be more courageous or diligent the next time those same events come around in our dreams... and frankly, even vice versa.

[Loup Solitaire]

So how can we tie all this in to what we understand in Daheshism? Mario’s analysis obviously is spot on. Everything comes down to our spiritual fluids…and their effects upon us… pulling us up, and pulling us down.

Are the “events” in our dreams any less real than the events that what our waking lives tell us are real? No, I venture they are not. And our dream events in fact are probably more connected to us than we may ever understand.

In my own mind I kind of have some categories that I catalogue various dreams in to. One thing I would recommend is the keeping of a journal of ones' dreams. Firstly, it helps to remember them… it is amazing how fleeting even significant details of dreams fade away over time. Secondly, sometimes (at least I have found) what might seem to be a really “weird” dream can at a later date, actually start to make some sense.

I want to clarify that these are kind of my own observations, and as such may be completely useless and irrelevant to others… so your individual mileage may vary...

ANXIETY DREAMS…

WARNING DREAMS…

THE BIG DREAMS….

THE WEIRD STUFF…

So what you may ask is the BIG PICTURE of all this...

Well, firstly, I am sure that in time many separate disciplines of study will be brought together under one new, more unified theory... where things are explained and better understood in terms of spiritual fluids. Psychology and character studies will more clearly define ones' tendencies by their spiritual fluid inclinations. Physics will define the laws of the universe by energies and attractions using these same spiritual fluid references.

And not to seemingly get too far off topic of the question at hand, but this sort of brings everything full circle... And that is that EVERYTHING is spiritual... and as such, spiritual fluids permeate every single aspect of our known existence.

As such, Daheshism will in time, not just be a spiritual movement in the "religious" sense, but rather a full cultural changing movement affecting a rethinking and reawakening to how EVERYTHING is ultimately tied together... and that our spiritual awareness should be a constant, diligent and perpetual thing... whether we are "awake" or "sleeping"...

I can tell you this, my dreaming experiences have become more spiritual since I have been investigating Dr Dahesh than before which to me is quite interesting. Whether his teachings have raised my level of interest, stimulated my intellect, or touched my spirituality, I do not know. But I do find it interesting.

Thanks for your thoughts Dave. I found them enlightening.

[Johnson]

I can tell you this, my dreaming experiences have become more spiritual since I have been investigating Dr Dahesh than before which to me is quite interesting. Whether his teachings have raised my level of interest, stimulated my intellect, or touched my spirituality, I do not know. But I do find it interesting.

I think everything you are experiencing is all part and parcel of the same thing. In retrospect, I had similar experiences in my dreams as I came to know more and more about Dr. Dahesh. This continued as He became an ever larger piece of my daily life and I really started to understand the magnitude and significance of it all...

You have brought yourself, through your efforts to a different place of awareness. This place can be either ignored or nurtured. Herein lies the personal journey that we all face... really every moment of our lives.

[Johnson]

A little dream...

This is a dream I had on the morning of October 22, 2008. It is really of no importance or significance to anyone other than myself... but it is one of those dreams that was as real as anything we perceive to be real in our waking lives.

My father passed away toward the end of June, 1984. I was on a work/study program in Larnaca, Cyprus when I came in to work one morning and there was a telegram for me that simply said "your father has had a heart attack and died"... I had to travel half way around the world to go the funeral back in Wisconsin and then back to Cyprus to try and finish my studies. For context, my mother had died of cancer a little over a year before.

Every so often over the years, I have seen my father in my dreams... in this particular dream, it was the first time I remember actually "talking" to him about Daheshism...

From my notes:

October 22, 2008
3:00am

I dreamt I saw my father. I really could not quite see him as he had his back to me… but I was talking to him… I felt the need to explain to him (I don't exactly know why... but it seemed rather "urgent") what I had been thinking about (in the dream anyway) as far as our perception of the world and spiritual fluids and getting closer to God…

I said to him...“God is at the very core of all things. Each perception, thought and action we have of life that goes against the spiritual laws and order of the universe, places us in a sphere further and further away from this central core.”

“When the 6 personalities come, 6 “new” dimensions of “new earths” (levels of existence) will open up to us…”closer” to the core of this central God Force. The wheat will be separated from the chaff and everyone outside the deserving realm of these 6 new “earths” will be allowed to pass on further away from this central core…each as they deserve.”

Just as I finished saying this… my father turned around and acknowledged me with a big smile… I could see every detail of his eyes and face as I remembered him 25 years ago... he simply said...“yes, exactly…”

Then I woke up.

[boxfox]

great dream ,

i bet you felt a weird happiness lurking in your chest when you woke up, and i think you had a very good relation with your father all your life .

anyway i had a dream like 4 days ago , i can't remember it vividly and it was like i was asking the doctor about something and he said 'you can find everything in my books'

despite our earthly differences , i think we , daheshists are connected , why i say that , because we, the daheshists, are the reincarnation of ' ekhwan al safa ' who were with Baha'ullah when he came to earth , so we deserved to reincarnate once again with the Beloved Guiding Prophet, so you see how much i am sad when i see daheshists not one , why the the doctor was so sad to the end of his life .

[zionic]

anyway i had a dream like 4 days ago , i can't remember it vividly and it was like i was asking the doctor about something and he said 'you can find everything in my books'

despite our earthly differences , i think we , daheshists are connected , why i say that , because we, the daheshists, are the reincarnation of ' ekhwan al safa ' who were with Baha'ullah when he came to earth , so we deserved to reincarnate once again with the Beloved Guiding Prophet, so you see how much i am sad when i see daheshists not one , why the the doctor was so sad to the end of his life .

Boxfox, I have never heard this idea concerning the Ekhwan al Safa and their relationship to Baha'u'llah. Was Dr. Dahesh the source of this idea? Is there a place in print where he mentions this?

I admit to having a very personal interest in this question. A number of years ago I was led with others through a meditation where we walked through several doors, each revealing a snippet of a past life. One of the doors I walked through brought me to a fort where I was with a number of people fighting for their lives against vastly superior forces. I witnessed myself feeling anxious and wondering to myself 'I wish I could be calm and courageous like Quddus'. I'm of the opinion that I didn't survive the incident...not in the flesh anyhow. As you probably know Quddus was an associate of the "Bab", Baha'u'llah's predecessor.

[boxfox]

hi zionic , and welcome back , excuse me on not clarifying on this point about ekhwan el safa and their link to Baha'u'llah , his first followers were the reincarnation of ekhwan el safa , ekhwan el safa were in the 10 th centuary , Baha'u'llah was 19 th century, even Baha'u'llah expected the coming of doctor dahesh

well first i wouldn't call that an idea rather a revelation or a spiritual fact ,and about the source it is doctor dahesh because no other daheshist had the ability to receive spiritual revelations but him . my father told me about it and one of the Dahesh companions told him (i think Dr. Farid Abu Sleiman not sure ), there might be further clarification for it but that is only what i know , i just heard about it , i wish i can find were this revelation is stored , maybe my story is not accurate because you know it was told to me like 8 years ago
i think in the future accurate facts will be available publicly .

[zionic]

hi zionic , and welcome back , excuse me on not clarifying on this point about ekhwan el safa and their link to Baha'u'llah , his first followers were the reincarnation of ekhwan el safa , ekhwan el safa were in the 10 th centuary , Baha'u'llah was 19 th century, even Baha'u'llah expected the coming of doctor dahesh

well first i wouldn't call that an idea rather a revelation or a spiritual fact ,and about the source it is doctor dahesh because no other daheshist had the ability to receive spiritual revelations but him . my father told me about it and one of the Dahesh companions told him (i think Dr. Farid Abu Sleiman not sure ), there might be further clarification for it but that is only what i know , i just heard about it , i wish i can find were this revelation is stored , maybe my story is not accurate because you know it was told to me like 8 years ago
i think in the future accurate facts will be available publicly .

I'm glad to hear that this is directly attributable to Dr. Dahesh. I did a little bit of digging, but just a little, and found that the Brethren of Purity and their predecessors from Harran drank deeply at the well of Hermes (otherwise known as Idris, Hanok, Enoch, take your pick).

Anyone have recipes involving Crow and Basmati?

[Chad]

Hi Zionic,

There are a lot of information in that aspect if you dig towards Ethiopia , you’ll be surprised…