Lebanon and America...Crossroads of Christianity and Islam?

[zionic]

In reference to Dr. Dahesh's "I Will Sing", I saw these anecdotes concerning among other things (1)the origin of some Native American tribes, namely the Cherokee tribe and the Iroquois Confederation; (2)the Native American contribution to the the formation of the US Constitution; (3) the possibly Islamic roots of the previous two items.

http://www.al-huda.com/Article_6of33.htm

Earth-shattering if true. Robert D. Case isn't just your average Joe Blow shootin' at the breeze. He was a prominent Nixon and Reagan administration official with serious Cherokee ancestry. If his speculation is true, it has positively earth-shattering import to those among us who tell us that somehow Islam is 'unamerican' and that Islam is incompatible with the founding ideals of the American Republic. What if our founding ideals are in fact a marriage of of ideas with Christian and Islamic origin in addition to the sentiments held by free masons? What if? eh?

It also has profound implications as to how Islam and Christianity might themselves form a more perfect union of brotherhood themselves, something Dr. Dahesh was more than casually interested in.

Another anecdotal reference http://www.themodernreligion.com/ht/...-columbus.html

[Loup Solitaire]

This Material Looks Awesome

Although I did peruse your find, I have not yet have time enough to digest it. Alan, you have a gift for finding very interesting material.

[zionic]

I prepared an update on what I had found, but it got lost in the shuffle I think. It appears that some of the reference that Dr. Crane made, particularly in siting a certain researcher is a little on thin ice, but the personal anecdotes related to Crane's own family are quite rock solid, in my opinion, and quite parallel to the lived experience of other tribes in North America.

[Loup Solitaire]

Conspiracy Theories May Not Be Theories

I read through Dr Robert Crane's article. But for me to effectively get the most, I need time, because I get more from meanings that are between the lines. This takes additional research and cross checking. This article makes me first want to know more about the man. I wonder what his PHD is in?

I think it would be a safe bet that the inhabitants of North America were diverse. Furthermore, I do not think they were closely linked the usual hunter gatherer society. Most, I think, would have preferred peaceful coexistence. In the Mid Atlantic they were tribes that worked the natural food sources of the region. It was truly a land of abundance, but they knew that one should only take what was needed so as to not deplete the fish, the clams, the crabs, the deer and all other foods.

Somewhere I have a novel based upon a real tribe that lived on the shores of the Chesapeake Bay. I need to pull that back out and read it again. The invading Europeans deceived, cheated, and stole the land out from under the local inhabitants. Needless to say, eventually there was a rebellion against the Europeans and many lives were lost. There are still fragments of these people in the region. But most were driven from the area.

One only needs to read such a well researched book to understand the frustration that victims of the great land grab all over the world felt. But modern remnants of these early people are getting educated and organized. I would like to think a just God would restore some of their pride and glory.

Also, James Michener's book, The Chesapeake, might shade some light on this subject. I have not read the book but my wife has. And in great detail she related the story to me. But I think it is time to read it myself.

Despite the immense increase in population in this land, it is still a land of abundance.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_D._Crane

http://www.cesj.org/about/cesjnetwork/directors.htm

Dr. Crane refers to Reagan's taskforce, "Project Economic Justice". You can watch Reagan's remarks about the work of this taskforce here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06vP84SqnS4.

This should give you a pretty well rounded view of the man.

[Loup Solitaire]

Interesting

The Wikipedia article didn't clarify whether Dr Crane was a Christian to Islam convert or not. I only mention because his last name would be unusual, I think , for someone indoctrinated in Islam from and early age. However, I did find a reference (http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=64989) that did confirm that his conversion was completed in the 1977-1978 time frame during his stay in Bahrain. Quote, “Allah converted me to Islam when I was five years old, and again through a religious experience when I was 21, but I did not know there were other persons in the world who understood what Allah showed me until I met an old man in Bahrain who told me that there is a word for what I worshipped, and this is "Allah." I figured that all Muslims could not be bad, as I had thought before, if this man was so good and was an admitted Muslim. I did not choose to become a Muslim. I am and have always been a Muslim, but did not know it self-consciously until I was 50 years old”.