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    Based on what I heard, Dahesh wrote "Memoirs of a Dinar" in a matter of hours (8, according to what I've been told by some Daheshists).

    With regards to the actual content, I asked the Doctor if the story was truth or fiction. Without missing a beat he said to me "that's a story I wrote."

    Now, before some of you out there begin firing your proverbial "missiles" at me and scream "figment of fancy" (those of you who missed that whole thread, please use the "search" function...) please understand that I am merely reporting what he told me. He was staying with me at the time and I was rather ... obsessed with the ending... like .... just about every Daheshist I met... (I DID say "just about"... ) So, I remember going to him and building up the nerve to ask him "Doctor, is the story in the Dinar real or fiction?" He smiled from the corner of the mouth, gestured with his right hand, shook his head genly and said "Haydi Issah Katabtaha" (that's a story I wrote).

    He didn't say "No, this is fiction" nor did he say "Yes, this is a prophecy."

    But you HAVE to factor in his "Body Arabic!"

    It is very possible this story was inspired and that it is allegory. It MAY happen (similar ending, but different players) or... not end that way at all, IF humanity "wakes up."

    BUT, for those of you still waiting for 1995 to happen... Dudes...(dudettes) that was... like... over 10 years ago (and counting!)
    Last edited by Mario; 07-04-2006, 11:11 PM.

  • #2
    Dear Mario, when they asked Jesus if he is a prophet, his answer was:” you say”, not me.
    And the Doctor never said he is a prophet.
    And "A Strange Stories and Wonderful Fables"which wrote by him, he said:” it’s just stories”, and every one knows that most of it is about daheshists brothers.
    When you notice that two parts of the prophecy in the “Memories of Dinar” had already performed, so the third one it was should be. But as we know the life of the human beings getting longer or shorter according to their doing in this life as in the previous life. And I think you know some persons as examples for that. And what is going on persons going on countries and planets as well. And the mercy of God may give us a chance.Don't you think so?
    And why we are running of these facts as the doctor said something wrong? And why we always would like to approve to the others as it’s not a mistake or it’s not either a prophecy nor misexpectation, by saying:” it's a story, or just a book, or a literature material”.
    And do you think the Beloved Guiding Prophet came to this miserable land to write stories?
    And an inspired book such as” Memories of Dinar “which written in eight hours or nine, don’t you think there is more than a story in that?
    And how can he mentioned to doctor George Khabsa and what happened with him with the nun “as a fact”, while we have to except the rest as it is a story?
    Best regards.
    Last edited by Hussein; 07-05-2006, 11:38 AM.

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    • #3
      Dear Hussein,

      Let me first deal with the most pressing issue: if you read my post correctly, I say "Doctor, is the story in the Dinar real or fiction?"
      I didn't say "...the story of the Dinar..." Therefore, I was referring to the epilogue concerning 1995 only and not anything else.

      As to your question: "think the Beloved Guiding Prophet came to this miserable land to write stories?"

      Again if you read my post correctly, I mention allegories. A story doesn't have to be literal to have a purpose. It can use metaphors, which the Doctor was also known to use.

      Yes, everything the Doctor did had a purpose. The question is however, was the act (or statement) a literal description or a metaphor? Again, I can show you at least one example where not everything he said was meant to be taken literally.

      Case in point, this business of using nude art on the covers, or when he asked the illustrator Koroleff (spelling?) to draw a lamb surrounded by wolves, or when he asked me to draw 8 scenes from THE INFERNO. He told me "Draw as YOU see" and not, as "I SEE" (despite the tons of instructions he gave me).

      So, my point, some stories are to be taken literally, and others are symbolic representations. In fact, when you say "But as we know the life of the human beings getting longer or shorter according to their doing in this life as in the previous life. And I think you know some persons as examples for that. And what is going on persons going on countries and planets as well. And the mercy of God may give us a chance.Don't you think so?"

      You're basically saying that in some cases, the Doctor gives a warning. In this case, I believe it was in the form of a "story." But the story is not necessarily a prophecy. A prophecy (in the Daheshist way of seeing things) is something that happens as described—to the letter— regardless of what we do to change to outcome.

      Here, we CAN change the outcome. That's why I opened up the door to discuss the paradox in Daheshism (we believe in fate as well as free will, 2 mutually exclusive realities).

      Also, I've known the Doctor to eat things he liked to eat and (quite simply, and from my perspective) try to enjoy the moment.

      As for the Doctor never saying that he was a prophet (in those exact words)... I am not sure I agree with that statement...

      And which 2 prophecies are you referring to exactly in the Dinar if I may ask?

      To be continued, for sure.

      Best Regards,

      Mario
      Last edited by Mario; 07-06-2006, 01:31 AM.
      "Fail, to succeed."

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      • #4
        Dear Hussein,

        "And the Doctor never said he is a prophet."

        Assuming this statement is factual, one would still have to ask the following question:

        In the PRAYER of DAHESH, who is, then, the "Beloved Guiding Prophet" he is referring to in the prayer?

        Also, often people spoke to him as a prophet, and they used that term. I just got off the phone with my cousin in France and according to him, he witnessed a Daheshist brother speak to the Doctor and refer to him as "a prophet."

        According to my cousin, the Doctor never corrected nor contradicted the Daheshist.

        He wrote "when the Daheshist Religion will spread in The United States of America, I will sing"... Dahesh speaking of the Daheshist Religion... That most certainly says he is claiming to be a prophet, especially that he went on record proclaiming the birth of Daheshism.

        But, I understand your point, sometimes, we have to make to connection and earn credit for it. However, and I repeat, in case of the Dinar Epilogue, he was more than clear in saying to me that I should not take it literally.

        There most certainly a purpose to everything he wrote and did. However, that doesn't mean that WE necessarily know what that is...

        Best Regards,

        Mario
        Last edited by Mario; 07-06-2006, 12:12 PM.
        "Fail, to succeed."

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        • #5
          Dear Mario,
          We are here to clear some facts in case we know, and if we don’t, to ask for the answers from the one who knows. And in the same time we are not here to argue with each other, as you know this doesn’t help to publish the Daheshism. And sure we are in a democracy forum, even we are from the same color, and by the way, the English language is not the native language for both of us. So sometimes if we misunderstood some sentences, be patient please.

          You say:” But the story is not necessarily a prophecy. A prophecy (in the Daheshist way of seeing things) is something that happens as described—to the letter— regardless of what we do to change to outcome”.
          And” And which 2 prophecies are you referring to exactly in the Dinar if I may ask?”


          There is a lot of difference between the warning and the prophecy, and “waiting the day to punish the evils” is much different from “if you didn’t stop doing the evils you will suffer in the hell for millions of years”
          So what is the difference between the prophecy in “Memories of Dinar” and the prophecy in “The Gardens of the Gods”, Joys and Sorrows P86? Aren’t similar? One is speaking about the planet earth and the other about the country Lebanon.
          And about the two prophecies:
          1- Appearance of Hitler son
          2- Reunited of Germany.
          3- So, May the mercy of God only changed the players.
          Try to read again please this literature or poem: “the hell of memories, the fog”- “the gardens of Gods, the earth destruction”-“The Wanderer in the Desert of Life, the last day”. And the only difference that he didn’t announce the time.
          Anyhow dear Mario, We are not in hurry for that day, but that doesn’t mean is not coming.
          Best regards.
          Last edited by Hussein; 07-08-2006, 05:43 AM.

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          • #6
            Dear Hussein,

            For the purpose of this debate, assume I am not a Daheshist, and let's stick to the issue at hand.

            The argument I am bringing forth is (once again) this:

            Doctor Dahesh told me in no uncertain words that the epilogue in the Dinar was fiction and not a prophecy.

            You, on the other hand, a devout Daheshist, are refuting that claim (and you have the right to do so).

            Nothing you have shown me can be considered tangible proof that would cause me to shift my thinking. You see, I am 100% detached emotionally and I am strictly looking at this from the point of view of logic:

            The world did not end in 1995 and Hitler's son didn't return to power. I will again repeat that for the epilogue to be considered a prophecy, all of its components must be verified.

            My statement does not negate Daheshism nor the fact that the epilogue was PARTIALLY prophetic... Nor is it written anywhere that the Doctor had to be literal in everything he said or wrote.

            I've addressed the issue of Dr. Dahesh saying (or not) that he is a prophet in another thread.

            And, last but not least, I totally disagree: arguing is the healthiest way to spread Daheshism. After all, as the Doctor used to tell me often "even the intestines argue."

            Best Regards,

            Mario
            Last edited by Mario; 07-07-2006, 05:16 PM.
            "Fail, to succeed."

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            • #7
              Dear Mario,
              I prefer to say: exchange opinions” from “argument”
              And later may we will find all of our opinions are not correct. For that, we should ask the brothers whom they have been closed to our Beloved prophet to share us their opinions, May that helps a lot to clear the truth. Especially, that many years ago, I have heard from one of the brothers who had been so closed to the Doctor, he said:” in that time (mention to the prophecy in the Memories of Dinar) I think the god will save us or he will put a sayyal upon us to continue the humanity life, sure if we deserve”. And another brother who had lived with the Doctor for a long long time, he told me that in this day the earth is not going to be destroyed completely, but will be a nuclear strike. And most of the brothers have been waiting that day before.
              What does that mean? Do you think nobody else has asked the Doctor about that prophecy? And sure, if we asked them one by one about that, we will find different answers, why? Because the Doctor was talking for every one by the level of his understanding, or to make every one think according to his freedom and his sayyals level.
              Best regards.

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              • #8
                Dear Mario,
                You say” As for the Doctor never saying that he was a prophet (in those exact words)... I am not sure I agree with that statement”
                “Also, often people spoke to him as a prophet, and they used that term”.


                The Doctor didn’t mention directly for himself as a prophet, and he didn’t ask any one to call him as prophet, We are not speak to him as a prophet only,because often people spoke to him as prophet. we do believe in him as a prophet, We do believe in him as the return of Jesus Christ according to his miracles, principles, writings, his life and the spirits whom talk to us(I don’t mean myself here) and the spiritual messages etc…and when we read something shown that he is prophet; it will be written by some other spirits tongue or by a spiritual messages.
                But that doesn’t mean he didn’t mention for the Daheshism as a spiritual message, the religion of Daheshism and the Daheshism message and we can see that clear in many places of his writings.
                best regards.
                Last edited by Hussein; 07-08-2006, 05:49 AM.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Hussein
                  Dear Mario,
                  I prefer to say: exchange opinions” from “argument”
                  You're the one who said " And in the same time we are not here to argue with each other, as you know this doesn’t help to publish the Daheshism. "

                  Aren't you the one who alluded to the fact my response was an argument? (as in, "quarrel?") Adding to that the suggestion that my method of communicating my opinion is not conducive to spreading Daheshism?

                  I was hoping you might have meant "argument" as in "argumentation" or "a reason given in proof or rebuttal—discourse intended to persuade" (as per Webster's Dictionary.

                  But I think you clearly meant "quarrel." So, I was replying to your own words and staying in context.

                  Regards,

                  Mario
                  Last edited by Daheshville; 07-08-2006, 03:40 PM.
                  "Fail, to succeed."

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Hussein
                    And later may we will find all of our opinions are not correct. For that, we should ask the brothers whom they have been closed to our Beloved prophet to share us their opinions, May that helps a lot to clear the truth.
                    Dear Hussein,

                    With all due respect to the brothers (and sisters) who were closer to the Doctor than me (let's assume that I am a nobody) anybody telling me how I should interpret words I heard clearly from the Doctor's mouth would be insulting my intelligence. In fact, you obviously don't know me nor do you actually read what I am posting.

                    It's amazing. Despite the fact my words support what you and the others are saying, you are still coming back and arguing (as in debating) the point.

                    That, my friend, is what we call "beating a dead horse."

                    No one knows WHEN the world will end.

                    Yes (for the last, blessed time) it is a function of Earth's spiritual Level.

                    Yes I read Noah's letter also.

                    Originally posted by Hussein
                    Do you think nobody else has asked the Doctor about that prophecy? And sure, if we asked them one by one about that, we will find different answers, why? Because the Doctor was talking for every one by the level of his understanding, or to make every one think according to his freedom and his sayyals level.
                    Best regards.
                    OK, so what are you then saying about MY "level of understanding" "freedom" and "sayyals level" ?

                    Regards,

                    Mario
                    Last edited by Daheshville; 07-08-2006, 03:42 PM.
                    "Fail, to succeed."

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Hussein
                      Dear Mario,
                      You say” As for the Doctor never saying that he was a prophet (in those exact words)... I am not sure I agree with that statement”
                      “Also, often people spoke to him as a prophet, and they used that term”.

                      Dear Hussein,

                      I don't think you read my comments here ...

                      http://forum.daheshville.com/showthread.php?t=65

                      Best Regards,

                      Mario
                      "Fail, to succeed."

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                      • #12
                        Dear Mario,
                        i didn't aim any quarrel, and i'm sorry if my words meant that. i told you before i'm not a good english speaker.
                        Both of us are trying to deffence his viewpoint, and show how did everyone of Daheshists understand the Daheshism. and i hope that will help the others some how.
                        Best regards.

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                        • #13
                          Dear Hussein,

                          Likewise and I am sorry if I offended you in any way.
                          This place (Daheshville) is meant to be a "model." That does not mean it will be "perfect" every time. There will be ups and downs, and what better way to show to the uninitiated public that Daheshists CAN think for themselves and are not blind followers of those who claim to have to key to knowledge and use that claim to exert power and pressure... How I miss the OLD generation...

                          So far, and I hate to burst anyone's bubble, many of the "Daheshists" that were closest to the Doctor (some whom I dedicated a LOT of attention, support, and energy to, in order to make the Doctor happy) turned out to be a huge, miserable, and shameful disappointment... Not because of their actions, and heaven knows I am not perfect, but by virtue of their arrogance and refusal to admit they made mistakes.

                          Would you believe that one such person went as far as telling me "If you have to, LIE in the name of the Doctor, and say a prayer in your heart for the Spirit to absolve your action..."

                          In other words, had I listened to that misguided (LEADER) I would have said "But Hussein, I swear by the name of... that he said I am a prophet..."

                          But no. I didn't. I followed my intuition and found what I believe to be evidence.

                          I'll tell you why Daheshville was created: so that we never, ever, have tyrants among us and that we never, ever, become a cult.

                          I commend you for having the courage to participate.

                          Regards,

                          Mario
                          Last edited by Mario; 07-08-2006, 10:54 AM.
                          "Fail, to succeed."

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                          • #14
                            Dear Mario,
                            i think , i know what you are talking about , and i think i know that brother even.
                            But, We believe that there is a God, and will count the biggest mistakes as the smallest, so let God judge them, who ever they are.
                            And now , If we are working for any person,let us stop , but if we are working for our Beloved Guiding Prophet, let us go to the end,and never be scared of any , what ever happened or going to be happen. We are the servents of Dahesh and Daheshism, and this honour us, what ever the results are.
                            just be patient a little bit more.
                            Best regards.

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                            • #15
                              Memoirs of a Dinar in English

                              We found a couple of copies available for sale on Amazon.com as well as BarnesandNoble.com

                              Evidently, this went into service on June 1, 2006. From the looks of the sales rank on Amazon.com, it doesn't seem as if anyone knows about it... It is not even featured on the Daheshist Heritage bookstore itself, for some odd reason.

                              The translator is an Egyptian by the name of Wadida Wassef. She seems to be quite legit and established. However, we have not seen the actual book in English, therefore we cannot —as of yet— praise it based on a fair comparison with the original.

                              In any case, here are the ISBN numbers if anyone is interested in grabbing the copies available online:

                              • ISBN-10: 1931126054
                              • ISBN-13: 978-1931126052

                              The Fine Print:

                              The preceding was a public service announcement from Daheshville.com.

                              Neither Daheshville.com nor anyone remotely connected with it—in this universe or beyond— receives any dividends (cash, coins, livestock, eggs, dairy products at large, vegetables and legumes, etc.) of any kind from the sale of the book.

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