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**Mario** · 09-24-2006, 02:53 PM

Ghazi can call me a liar all he wants...

... but I know what I heard. Ghazi Brax can also defame and declare me to be without merit (directly and indirectly, by posting the excerpt from Doctor Dahesh's book) all he wishes, I will not change my position on the matter.

Sperm and egg does NOT necessarily mean sexual contact. I never said Sexual Contact.

But so what... And didn't the Doctor have older siblings?

**Mario** · 09-24-2006, 03:20 PM

Wait until you hear the rest...

Darrick, according to the Doctor himself, in his book of tales (3#) of which I have a copy, Jesus Christ (incidentally, that's not THE Christ... but a prophet who had, just like the Doctor, the Spiritual Fluid from THE Christ) ... anyway, Jesus Christ himself says that he was subject to the laws of Earth, he felt hunger, thirst, happiness and sadness and ... basically... like everyone else on that planet, was not immune. THAT's what makes Jesus Christ great. The fact that despite his human side, he was able to surmount certain tests before which other humans would have crumbled. And yet, despite his amazing inner strenght, he himself says (in the book) that he weakened...

How about the Myth of Jesus ascending to heaven after 3 days? Do you believe in that as well?

**Sandrine** · 09-24-2006, 03:44 PM

Originally posted by Darrick Evenson

That is what you find in Dr.Dahesh's inspired book. However the conception of Jesus would be an enigma until his Second Coming. "At that time, the truth will be revealed" not to all seekers, but "to those who must know it, each according to his merit."

Dr. Brax was among a very few Daheshists who merited to know it. Unfortunately, Mario was not among them....

Mr Brax,

Haven't you learnt what the word "HUMILITY" means by being so close to Doctor Dahesh ?

Sandrine

**Mario** · 09-24-2006, 03:54 PM

Sandrine, I don't know how the Doctor was able to endure all these egos around him... I am not saying I was perfect... But to publicly declare me without merit? If I were to repeat what the Doctor told me about certain people... Yes, I might not have visited him for 20 years... Yes, I don't have a PhD... But I tucked him in bed, I lived with him—alone. I even held his hand while he was having a heart attack while with me in the Car.

I even helped the moriticians prepare his lifeless body...

I am so, so, upset... But, out of respect for my prophet I will keep my mouth shut...

**Astrid** · 09-24-2006, 04:32 PM

Originally posted by Darrick Evenson

................That is what you find in Dr.Dahesh's inspired book. However the conception of Jesus would be an enigma until his Second Coming. "At that time, the truth will be revealed" not to all seekers, but "to those who must know it, each according to his merit."

Dr. Brax was among a very few Daheshists who merited to know it. Unfortunately, Mario was not among them.

..................

I think that this unfounded statement is totally unfair regarding all the things Mario is doing to share our faith “Daheshism” with the world ...

I will just give you just a little example. When my sister Sandrine and I wanted to learn how to make the Daheshist symbol, we were turned down because we didn’t speak Arabic. When we asked Mario to do so, he spent 2 months to develop a special course online and flew to France in order to complete the course.

In my opinion, the way he behaves in all the aspects of his life (and I know him very well) makes me say that he has understood what is The Essence of our Faith ... and when you are close to him, you really feel how much he cares for you and for everybody ...

Astrid

**Mario** · 09-24-2006, 04:46 PM

A woman CAN make a child without a Man!

... Ok, maybe it wasn't a sperm that caused the birth. Honestly, the Doctor did not go into such details. All he said was that Jesus came to the world the usual way, like all humans. ALSO, Doctor Dahesh added that a woman CAN make a baby without a man AND that science has YET to discover that... So, maybe a woman can generate her own sperm... I don't know... I just report what I hear...

**Johnson** · 09-24-2006, 08:07 PM

Reply to Brax

Originally posted by Darrick Evenson

Dr. Brax was among a very few Daheshists who merited to know it. Unfortunately, Mario was not among them.

May God endow you with His blessing and spiritual light,

Dr. Brax' Assistant

N. Brax

While this comment is not directed at me, I find it every bit as offensive as if it was. Most of what Mario has posted here I have heard from both Mario as well as other knowledgeable and respected Daheshists...and as far as the topic here at hand, I have heard this story from both Mario as well as another Daheshist who was with the Doctor when these words were spoken. How can anyone, including Brax who wasn't even there during this discussion, say that this conversation and conveyance of information did not even occur? The conversation with the Dr. in that room, of which Mario was "merited" to be privy to....stands as the truth. I have heard this from Mario as well as another Daheshist that was there. Everything Mario said is substantiated. How is God's name can Brax say, "unfortunately Mario was not among them."

We all have our live experiences that are meant to be ours in our own way. Mario would never attack anothers' recount of their own individual experience or diminish the importance of that experience to that individual...and I would expect that others' act in the same manner toward Mario and as well as toward each other.

We each own the information of our experiences. Mario, unlike many who have yet to, if ever share their story, has opened up and passed along his live experiences to us. Mario doesn't embellish or make things up. It has to go on record, that this is an offense when one person, Daheshist or otherwise, goes on record and basically undermines and calls another's life experience as "...not merited in knowing."

**Mario** · 09-24-2006, 09:30 PM

Thank You...

... Astrid, David, mario, and Sandrine for posting your respective opinions on the manner. I aslo, and truly, appreciate the moral support. People like you make it all worth it and restore my faith in people.

Mario

**Mario** · 09-25-2006, 02:48 AM

Let's put things in a bigger context

I went back and read the book that the Doctor himself gave me,

"The Memoirs of Jesus the Natharene"

And, with all due respect, I think what Brax told Darrick was taken out of context and presented to convince Darrick not to foresake Daheshism.

A noble act, even if my reputation and merit were put into question...

But this is Daheshville... We analyze things objectively... And, obvioulsly, some of us are not "worthy." Still, for better of for worse, we are popular and people seem to visit and read... a LOT. So, in order to best serve the viewers, I decided to read the Book from end to end. And, here is my conclusion: Based on the book alone, as written by Dahesh and as given to ME, things are open for interpretation.

In fact, if one were to read the whole chapter, objectively, one might easily come to conclusion that what I said about the non-virgin birth is plausible.

First, in that chapter, Jesus is telling us how his mother sometimes was torn between taking his side and the side of his siblings.

And, before I go on, Jesus clearly refers to Joseph as his Earthly Father and NOT his adoptive father, which he would have been had Jesus been born without his "intervention". He calls him "Father" and always shows the proper respect.

In that chapter, Mary and Joseph are having an argument. She wants Joseph to speak up and say something when Jesus and his brothers (who didn't agree with him) were arguing. His TWO sisters, on the other hand where crying because they believed in him. So, for the record, his brothers (and he refers to them as his Brothers) did not support him, while his two sisters did.

Now, and according to the story, on page 49 (Arabic version) she looked at his "EARTHLY FATHER Joseph" (can someone please lookup the definition of FATHER?) and said to him (and here, with all due respect to those who know the text by heart, I will summarize and paraphrase):

"Why aren't you saying anything?"

Joseph replies: "I am perplexed and I don't know what to say, and you know more about the reasons more than I"

Mary replies: "And you don't?"

Joseph: "No, No, I don't know them as well as you do"

Mary: "Do you not want to speak to YOUR SON?"

Joseph: "He is NOT my son. He is the son of the sky/heaven"

Mary CONFIRMS: "On the contrary HE IS YOUR SON"

Joseph then says: "He is the gift from the sky to us and to everyone else. He is not of this Earth and anyone who is not of this Earth then his teachings are without a doubt heavenly"

OK, NOW, check out what Mary says, which doesn't make sense:

Mary: "... (something I can't translate... Maybe mario can... "Isfah Anni" ) ... Joseph, if I told you I DO NOT BELIEVE IN HIM because his SPEECH is very strange"

OK, did we all get that, MARY is saying that she does not believe in him. And Mary saying to Joseph, "Talk to your son'' ... "He IS your son"

OK

Now, Joseph begins to remind Mary of a few things...

"Doesn't he call for goodness? Don't you see him praying all day long?" (so, here, Joseph, is Citing Jesus' virtues)

Then Joseph says (pay attention): Doesn't THAT prove he is NOT human?

Why would Joseph feel he has to PROVE that Jesus was not human if it WAS an open and shut case?

That's when Mary says:

"If what you are saying is true... then WHY DID HE COME TO US THROUGH THE HUMAN WAY?"

That's when Joseph says (and here, I am paraphrasing Brax's translation ):

"How's that? Don't you remember the Angel of God when he came to me in a Dream saying :

(The Angels speaks in the dream)" Don't worry Joseph, for your wife became pregnant with him through the Holy Spirit"

That's when Mary says:

"Yes, I remember that, and I am greatly surprised because I cannot until this day explain that RIDDLE."

And you know the rest...

Now, here is MY take on what is WRITTEN and based on what I heard the Doctor say to me and my brother:

Mary could have had HER PERIOD for all we know! In other words, according to the story, we don't really know what that RIDDLE was.

Mary certainly did not hold back the fact that she was forcing Joseph the accept the notion that he WAS his son...

Besides, even though she remembers the Dream that Joseph had, she STILL claimed that JESUS came to them through the HUMAN way.

Nor did EITHER Joseph or Mary bring up the subject of having or NOT having sexual relations. And before you say "Jesus would not discuss such things..." Well, maybe not graphically, but, earlier in the book, he covered the whole issue of sex and marriage.

Really, if you truly have an open mind, you'll see that this can be interpreted this way:

Here is my version:

OPTION 1

Mary had her period. She was not supposed to get pregnant. Joseph worried that she might have had an affair. The Angel of God came to him in a dream and put his mind at ease.

Once the fertilization of the egg with the sperm occurred, then, the "Holy Spirit" entered the scene.

In fact, anyone who reads the story that the Doctor wrote about his niece leaving her planet to come to earth will clearly see that the spiritual fluid enters the body of the baby AS IT IS BEING DELIVERED.

So, based on that, it didn't matter who the father was (technically speaking) because Jesus Christ's Spiritual Fluid would have entered his Earthly body the minute he was delivered. But because I know some of you are screaming "WHAT DID HE JUST SAY?!" Let me rephrase, obviously, for reasons not known to me, Joseph was chosen to be the VEHICLE that would ensure the entry of Jesus Christ into this Dimension called Planet Earth.

OPTION 2

Mary's Body NATURALLY fertilized the Egg—as per what the Doctor had also said.

Now, you believe what you want to believe. Just hold the personal judgments.

**Darrick Evenson** · 09-25-2006, 02:59 PM

Ascension a myth?

Yes, I believe that Jesus ascended into heaven. Why do you call it a "myth"? Who has declared it a "myth"?

I don't see that Dr. Brax tried to humiliate you. It was "N" that wrote that, not Dr. Brax. And, as well, she just wrote that Dr. Dahesh told something to a chosen few, and Mario was not among them. Indeed, 99% of Daheshists were not among the "chosen" that got told the facts. I just can't believe that Jesus was the son of Joseph, or the son of any human being, or that Mary was not a virgin when she bore Jesus. I have to go with the Bible, otherwise, I'd be a good Moonie.

Originally posted by Mario

Darrick, according to the Doctor himself, in his book of tales (3#) of which I have a copy, Jesus Christ (incidentally, that's not THE Christ... but a prophet who had, just like the Doctor, the Spiritual Fluid from THE Christ) ... anyway, Jesus Christ himself says that he was subject to the laws of Earth, he felt hunger, thirst, happiness and sadness and ... basically... like everyone else on that planet, was not immune. THAT's what makes Jesus Christ great. The fact that despite his human side, he was able to surmount certain tests before which other humans would have crumbled. And yet, despite his amazing inner strenght, he himself says (in the book) that he weakened...

How about the Myth of Jesus ascending to heaven after 3 days? Do you believe in that as well?

**Darrick Evenson** · 09-25-2006, 03:02 PM

Mario's faith

There is no question that Mario is an exceptional Daheshist, and a very giving person. After all, he created this website, at considerable expense, not for his own sake, but for others. But, still, I believe...

*Jesus was the son of Mary, a literal virgin when she bore Jesus
*Jesus was the son of the Holy Spirit (which in Daheshism means an angel)
*The Christ is the son of God.
*One of Jesus' Heavenly Personalities ascended into Heaven, not the human being Jesus, who died twenty years after the Crucifixion (probably in Shrinagar, Kashmir).

That's what I believe.

Originally posted by Astrid

I think that this unfounded statement is totally unfair regarding all the things Mario is doing to share our faith “Daheshism” with the world ...

I will just give you just a little example. When my sister Sandrine and I wanted to learn how to make the Daheshist symbol, we were turned down because we didn’t speak Arabic. When we asked Mario to do so, he spent 2 months to develop a special course online and flew to France in order to complete the course.

In my opinion, the way he behaves in all the aspects of his life (and I know him very well) makes me say that he has understood what is The Essence of our Faith ... and when you are close to him, you really feel how much he cares for you and for everybody ...

Astrid

**Mario** · 09-25-2006, 04:29 PM

Originally posted by Darrick Evenson

Yes, I believe that Jesus ascended into heaven. Why do you call it a "myth"? Who has declared it a "myth"?

I don't see that Dr. Brax tried to humiliate you. It was "N" that wrote that, not Dr. Brax. And, as well, she just wrote that Dr. Dahesh told something to a chosen few, and Mario was not among them. Indeed, 99% of Daheshists were not among the "chosen" that got told the facts. I just can't believe that Jesus was the son of Joseph, or the son of any human being, or that Mary was not a virgin when she bore Jesus. I have to go with the Bible, otherwise, I'd be a good Moonie.

Hi Darrick,

With regards to the Christ Ascending into Heaven.

I don't know how to proceed here... Perhaps if I would be allowed to ask one more question: Do you believe that Jesus Christ himself was crucified, died, then ascended to Heaven in 3 Days? In other words, no one else BUT the One and Only Jesus Christ. Not a copy or a personality.

I'll reply based on your reply.

As far as the othe issue:

In time, I will reveal in a private email why I said it was Ghazi who spoke. You see, Darrick, there is a lot I know despite the fact I often keep quiet and watch from a distance.

But, we're splitting hairs... Let's assume N. said that.

How can he/she assume I was not told about this matter.

Secondly, not only was the presumption that I was not told made, but, N. went as far as suggesting that I was among those who did not merit to know.

If that is not insulting, I don't know what is.

Now, let's look at it logically. The Doctor is sitting at the bureau in the living room, and my older brother and I are sitting with him. I don't remember the discussion, but something triggered the Doctor so say exactly what it is that I reported, that he could not understand the big deal about the virgin birth and that Jesus came to this world like any other human being because, well, that's the way things are.

Now, here is the clincher, and please pay attention to what he said after that (and my mistake perhaps is NOT having merged the two posts together): He continued by saying "besides, a woman does not need a man to procreate, science has yet to discover that."

So, to recap, something happened that made it a non-virgin birth. Meaning... there was a physical mechanism that took place for Mary's egg to be inseminated. How, I don't know.

Now, if you really want us to work through the problem together, I recommend you clear your mind and to humor me by reading the analysis that took me all night long to write (because, I had to re-read the book from cover to cover).

I posted the analysis under the title "Virgin or Non-Virgin birth. The Mother of all Debates!"

Darrick, let's say I imagined the Doctor saying all of that and that I am lying. What is my motive?
All I care about is that no one uses information as a means of control.

All these years "Doctor Brax" was supposed to create this book. Where is it? Why is taking so long?

Isn't possible that the Doctor, foretelling what is to come, planted some seeds in a few people so that, one day, and heaven forbid, should "Doctor Brax" pass away before he achieves his assignment, SOME of the information can be passed down?

Would I ever dream of saying that Brax didn't merit to know? Only GOD can say something like that.

As far as Mary... well, is she better than the Doctor's mother (I am referring to Doctor Dahesh...)

I will have to look into Doctor Dahesh's mother being or not being a virgin when she bore him.

If I find out she wan't, would it be OK for us to accept that the Doctor's Mother (who the Doctor LOVED DEARLY and for whom he had the utmost of respect) was not a virgin, and Mary was?

Again, I never said sexual contact. I said sperm and egg. Perhaps I was wrong to be so specific. But, I stand behind my words that there was something mechanical involved in order to facilitate the conception and delivery.

I mean, why didn't he just appear out of thin air? Why be born from a womb? Think about it. Here, I'll say on the record that I don't know. I've often heard the Doctor say things to the extent of "if the laws of Earth didn't apply to the Prophets, then where is their merit in resisting temptation" (I am paraphrasing, but you get the idea).

But beyond all that... ask yourself... "What are Mario's motives?"

I am either very evil, in which case, run and don't look back.

Or, I am doing whatever I can to bring a degree of balance. Otherwise... well, we will fall into the dark ages and we will have clergymen running amok again. Remember what I told you my "mission" (as told to me in a spiritual letter) was: to protect Daheshism.

Sometimes, those closest to us are the ones who we should be most vigilant with. Not my words, I am repeating what the Doctor said "When you doubt in the closest of those to you, then you would have understood the secrets of life."

And often time, as my own brother "C" put it, the closest to us is... our own self...

Listen, whether and Unificationist or a Daheshist, or a ... Bassist... (which is also what I am)... My job to make sure you have the full picture. That way you can truly say "I walked the path, I suffered the questions, and I made my choice."

I will not sugar coat anything to please you. I am willing to risk losing you as a Daheshist than to assume you are unable to handle what I consider to be the truth.

**Darrick Evenson** · 09-25-2006, 05:46 PM

Jesus not virgin-born

If Dr. Dahesh taught that Joseph was the earthly father of Jesus, then I am not a Daheshist, nor do I want to be.

**Daheshville** · 09-25-2006, 05:56 PM

Honestly Darrick, since you have this very priviledged rapport with " Doctor Ghazi Brax" (I mean, let's face, I don't even have the privilege that you have and I am very happy for you) and he most certainly trusts you far more than he would trust me, I recommend you become his disciple and learn Daheshism from only him. At least, he did not accuse you of Hijacking Daheshim, as another Daheshist did. He obviously cares grealty for you.

He seems to see in you an opportunity that is perhaps God Sent.
And, maybe, YOU are the reincarnation, of Paul... Maybe you are the one who is going to be the "Tool to spread the mission."

Go with Peace and God Bless.

Your Brother, Mario

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