viritual sin vs real sin

[boxfox]

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[Loup Solitaire]

i think we should rate this thread as R

these days virtual life is a very big part of any human life, I'd like to know everyone's opinion on whether a virtual sin from killing hundreds of people in a video game,or watching porn is considered as just immoral or more then that, do you think killing in a video and watching porn is as 'bad karam' as participating in doing them

In a video game, usually, the animation leads one to feel that it is not quite real. If one can maintain the realization that it is a game of reflexes, quick thinking and logic, then it is a game.

If special effects somehow come into play and it blurs the line between play and reality, then I would be concerned

Porn, however, is a different case. First of all, porn films can range from something that may be close to nude art to raw savage brutal sex exploitation. And the degree of immorality must be judged based upon the degree the sexual act has been distorted.

For most of us, the sexual act is a very personal, very private event, shared by only two people. It is not a show to be exploited. Furthermore there are natural activities and unnatural activities.

Therefore, that is why I say there are degrees of immorality based upon the content of the porn. Porn is immoral. I would venture to say some is more brutal, more immoral then others.

The interesting thing about porn is that it takes the mind on what initially seem like a realistic journey that ends with no realistic reward.

[Mario]

What is "Real" and what is "Virtual" anyway?

Aren't we "projections" or ... "manifestations" of Spiritual Fluids? And what are these Spiritual Fluids? The purest possible form (that can be imagined) of energy. And what is "energy?"

Like "information," we can't define "energy" the same way we can define "chair" or "table" (both, ironically, made of energy).

However, we can sense energy.

We can also sense information. In fact, information (or the lack of it) affects us on a cellular level.

Whatever "it" is, whether real or virtual, if "it" has a hold on us, that means (basically) we are feeding "it" valuable "energy."

Here, let me give you an example: There are those who won't be happy until the whole world is miserable —like them.

Why?

Because when they bring other people down (or provoke them to react as they would) they would have essentially found "fuel" for their Spiritual Fluids (in the lower worlds) coaxing them to behave that way.

Now, let's take the case of those who produce and sell addictive substances or content: What is their motivation?

Money.

What is money?

Converted energy.

It is a vicious cycle which starts with (quite literally) sub, sub, sub... atomic waves that trigger a desire, which then causes us to "seek out" the closest "black hole" ... just like metal to magnet.

Personally, I care more about what a persons thinks about me than what they say to me, or do "for" me—not that action does not count. But intentions, thoughts, etc., all that "virtual stuff" can negate any "noble words or action."

The bottom line is this: it's a constant inner battle.

Don't let anyone control your mind with guilt.

On the other hand, don't kid yourself...

[Loup Solitaire]

Porn takes you on a virtual journey!

A virtual journey can degrade the essence of who you are (fluids) just as a real act. In Christianity, and in Islam also imaging an inappropriate engagement with a person of the opposite sex is a sin.

What is especially egregious about porn is that it usually further degrades the sexual act by making it barbaric or unrealistic usually to make it more appealing to men. Yes porn can be addictive. The people who sell it hope to make lots of money. That is why they go to such extremes to make it appear so alluring. But the truth is, what you see in porn is a lie.

One would be better to avoid porn simply because it distorts a person expectations and corrupts their perspective when the time arrives that they find love, marriage and experience legitimate sex.

[WingedPaladin]

Be Smart, Don't Start

As soon as violence or immorality is exposed to the eyes and enters the mind it becomes thought.

"As a man thinketh in his heart so is he," (Proverbs 23:7)

“Sow a thought, and you reap an act; Sow an act, and you reap a habit; Sow a habit, and you reap a character; Sow a character, and you reap a destiny” - Charles Reade

"You are what you eat." takes on new meaning when it comes to feeding one's mind and spirit.

Playing video games, watching movies, TV, and pornography have shown to be addictive habits. As one watches or views something over and over again, it becomes ingrained more and more into the mind. It in itself is brainwashing.

In a video game, one can kill hundreds, thousands, or hundreds of thousands of people, beasts, monsters, animals, etc. again and again. What does this do to the mind? What does this do to the soul?

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The Lord in a blessing expressly forbid me from watching/participating in the media of the adversary. If I do, then I experience pains on a spiritual level - I get reminders of hell. I lower my vibration, lose the protection of the Holy Spirit and expose myself to the destroyers. I think I have mentioned here before that merely touching a DVD or video game that contains violence, etc. can cause spiritual fluids from it to attach themselves to me. These are rather uncomfortable, harmful, and painful ones I should add. Playing violent media in the home attracts like beings into it which in turn affects the home's human inhabitants.


My aunt told me of someone she knew personally who killed himself because he could not get the images of pornography out of his head or stop himself from looking at it. I felt sorrow for him, because, in the spirit realm, his memory of his life is perfect and these images continue to haunt him along with the action of taking his own life. Everything we do, say, or think in life is recorded by our own mind. This recording may last forever. Pornography is easy to get into but nearly impossible to get out. Consider yourself warned.

Jesus didn't seem to see much difference between the thought and the action:

"But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart." (Matthew 5:28)

"And verily I say unto you, as I have said before, he that looketh on a woman to lust after her, or if any shall commit adultery in their hearts, they shall not have the Spirit, but shall deny the faith and shall fear." (D&C 63:16)

Why is this? It is because in the spirit realm, where the reality of the creation of thought exists, there is a betrayal of one's own self, the one of whom the thought involves, and the spouse(s).

It seems only Christ has the power to free men and women from the effects of this debilitating addiction upon the condition of complete and sincere repentance.

The ultimate question is, "What do we love most?" Do we love the images and behaviors of Heaven or the images and behaviors of Hell and this world? We love that which we willingly and anticipatively expose ourselves to again and again and again. God will reward us with what it is we truly love, whether it be good or evil.

[WingedPaladin]

The Sanctity of Womanhood

I come from a heritage where womanhood and chastity is revered and cherished. We believe Motherhood is divine and a Mother centered in serving Jesus Christ does miracles for generations. We believe the calling of Motherhood and Fatherhood and the link of generations from Father Adam and Eve onwards has the potential to become eternal among the order of Godhood. Hence, we believe this special calling of Parenthood in its divine order is what the Lord desires to guard and maintain.

"For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts." (Jacob 2:28, The Book of Mormon)

When we see each other and ourselves as sons and daughters of God, then our desires to treat one another with respect and dignity increases.

The Latter-Day Saint Relief Society is, I believe, the largest women's organization in the world (approximately 6 million members).

We have a hymn that we sing which I believe summarizes the mission of the Relief Society:

As Sisters in Zion

As sisters in Zion, we'll all work together;
The blessings of God on our labors we'll seek.
We'll build up his kingdom with earnest endeavor;
We'll comfort the weary and strengthen the weak.

The errand of angels is given to women;
And this is a gift that, as sisters, we claim:
To do whatsoever is gentle and human,
To cheer and to bless in humanity's name.

How vast is our purpose, how broad is our mission,
If we but fulfill it in spirit and deed.
Oh, naught but the Spirit's divinest tuition
Can give us the wisdom to truly succeed.

Download the music.

I believe we may be somewhat unique in our belief among many religions concerning the equality of men and women in the home:

"In the home it is a partnership with husband and wife equally yoked together, sharing in decisions, always working together. While the husband, the father, has responsibility to provide worthy and inspired leadership, his wife is neither behind him nor ahead of him but at his side." - Apostle Boyd K. Packard

There is so much more to say here, but for the interest of space, here is the site for discovery: http://www.lds.org/pa/library/0,17905,4931-1,00.html

I provide this information not as an expectation of Daheshists, but as a model of inspiration and aspiration.

I believe Dr. Dahesh has many things he has said concerning womanhood and chastity in thought, and I open the board up for that discussion.

[Mario]

The Doctor believed in gender equality.

I believe we may be somewhat unique in our belief among many religions concerning the equality of men and women in the home:

"In the home it is a partnership with husband and wife equally yoked together, sharing in decisions, always working together. While the husband, the father, has responsibility to provide worthy and inspired leadership, his wife is neither behind him nor ahead of him but at his side." - Apostle Boyd K. Packard

I am not sure what you heard or whom you heard it from, and that applies to Daheshists as well:

The Doctor Dahesh I knew treated women as equals.

My credentials?

Simple: I dare any Daheshist man to claim he spent as much time as I did—alone, and with such proximity—with the core of Daheshist sisters that were the closest to the Doctor.

So my vantage point was different from many who can only dream or imagine what I saw and experienced first hand. And I am not talking about me visiting the Doctor and sitting in the hallway and watching his world from behind a bubble. I am talking about LIVING with him and his entourage, on and off, off and on... for years, OK?

And most probably there are Daheshist men who have taken the Doctor's words and twisted them to fit their own agendas.

[WingedPaladin]

Agreed

The Doctor Dahesh I knew treated women as equals.

Of this I had no doubt. I had no intention of portraying that this was not the case. I had expected this to be true from what I have learned of the Doctor. What seemed to upset the Doctor concerning women from what I have read is the maltreatment of women, immorality (Memoirs of a Dinar), and immodesty (Born Again With Dr. Dahesh). I noticed how he would make a heroine of the chaste, honest, faithful and selfless woman.

The Lord Jesus, in a patriarchal society, seemed to also treat women with high regard and with esteem (i.e. woman at the well, Mary Magdeline, His mother Mary), occasionally to the surprise of his compadres.


The equality of men and women, in history, seems to be an anomaly that has taken place in America and other countries within the last century due to the women's liberation movement. There is still a ways to go. The plight of women and their lack of rights in society and in the home in developing countries have been exposed to the public eye recently and have been under scrutiny, at least in the US, due to the attitudes of equality that have evolved and continue to evolve here. In history, the paternal order seemed dominant, but occasionally a maternal order of society would occur. Balance is a rare feat.

Although I consider myself a Republican, I have to really hand it to the Democratic party to have both a woman and a man of African descent as their lead candidates for presidency. This, I believe, would have been unheard of a century ago. The thought has even crossed my mind to change parties due to this presidential race. Hawaii, a traditionally Democratic state, has a Caucasian Republican woman as governor who has continued to be well loved by the people of Hawaii. Anything is possible. However, during the late 19th century, Hawaii was led by Queen Lili'uokalani. Hawaii has also had women as senators and representatives, so a woman leader in Hawaii is not a novel idea.