"Dr. Dahesh didn't understand himself and didn't start a religion."

[zionic]

Or at least that's what the "human rights philosopher" Koos Nolst Trenite has decided after reading one site hosted by Angelfire. Here's what Trenite has to say about it all 4 March 2008:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.philosophy/browse_thread/thread/8ca5173db91ae17b

[Loup Solitaire]

Dahesh

Trenite's appraisal of Dr Dahesh was insensitive to say the least, but I think he totally missed the main points of Dr Dahesh's message.

Earth is what it is. It's a living hell, not meant to be a paradise. Death does not come without suffering. Dr Dahesh's purpose here was not to save every soul nor to eliminate suffering of the masses.

Even Jesus acknowledged that there will always be poverty and suffering on earth. Dr Dahesh indicated that mankind's best hope was to live a life of excellence and hope for reincarnation into a better world. The only way out is physical death. Often painful death.

I have on several occasions witnessed what appeared to me to be relatively painless death. In all cases the individual believed strenuously in God and had lived a life to extraordinary standards.

This world is full of opportunities for sin. To avoid sin takes great effort and sacrifice. That is what it is all about.

[zionic]

I couldn't believe how superficial one who calls himself a "human rights philosopher" could be. Maybe it's too much to expect that he might be curious about Dr. Dahesh's advocacy of human rights and that he could easily satisfy this simple curiosity by simply using using his favourite search engine, or better yet following the other links he couldn't have failed to see that pointed him straight at Daheshism.org and Daheshville.

Dr. Dahesh had his human rights violated, that's the funny thing, and our human rights philosopher couldn't imagine why Dr. Dahesh would be interested in human rights?

I'm torqued and amused by it all at once, Ron.

[may04]

Strength

To every spirit and every soul that raged upon reading this I want to say: It's not personal. Let's all control our sacred bursts. To know what we have, to understand the connection that Dr Dahesh has suffered so much to make between us and the higher values of existence makes everything around us not personal. This doesn't mean that we will not stand up and speak and defend our opinions and our rights for this what our pophet has teached us to do. We all know that in our hands we hold a sword of fire, but this sword is not to cut necks, it's to lighten paths. It's strong and tender at the same time. When I read or hear such articles or books, I don't pity those who wrote it as much as I feel sad that we are up to this point still divided and that we are not one group united by body as we are united by soul. Brothers and sisters , I hope that before we face the blowing wind outside, we strengthen the bases of our house. We will always find the best replies to these people. I believe that the holy spirit that filled the mouths and tongues of the disciples of Jesus will not leave us alone and will fill our hearts and minds and mouths. We just need to go back to the essence of the mission. We are brothers and sisters true brothers and sisters, and always should be.

[boxfox]

To every spirit and every soul that raged upon reading this I want to say: It's not personal. Let's all control our sacred bursts. To know what we have, to understand the connection that Dr Dahesh has suffered so much to make between us and the higher values of existence makes everything around us not personal. This doesn't mean that we will not stand up and speak and defend our opinions and our rights for this what our pophet has teached us to do. We all know that in our hands we hold a sword of fire, but this sword is not to cut necks, it's to lighten paths. It's strong and tender at the same time. When I read or hear such articles or books, I don't pity those who wrote it as much as I feel sad that we are up to this point still divided and that we are not one group united by body as we are united by soul. Brothers and sisters , I hope that before we face the blowing wind outside, we strengthen the bases of our house. We will always find the best replies to these people. I believe that the holy spirit that filled the mouths and tongues of the disciples of Jesus will not leave us alone and will fill our hearts and minds and mouths. We just need to go back to the essence of the mission. We are brothers and sisters true brothers and sisters, and always should be.

nicely said

[Sandrine]

To every spirit and every soul that raged upon reading this I want to say: It's not personal. Let's all control our sacred bursts. To know what we have, to understand the connection that Dr Dahesh has suffered so much to make between us and the higher values of existence makes everything around us not personal. This doesn't mean that we will not stand up and speak and defend our opinions and our rights for this what our pophet has teached us to do. We all know that in our hands we hold a sword of fire, but this sword is not to cut necks, it's to lighten paths. It's strong and tender at the same time. When I read or hear such articles or books, I don't pity those who wrote it as much as I feel sad that we are up to this point still divided and that we are not one group united by body as we are united by soul. Brothers and sisters , I hope that before we face the blowing wind outside, we strengthen the bases of our house. We will always find the best replies to these people. I believe that the holy spirit that filled the mouths and tongues of the disciples of Jesus will not leave us alone and will fill our hearts and minds and mouths. We just need to go back to the essence of the mission. We are brothers and sisters true brothers and sisters, and always should be.

Thank you so much for your wise words ... You have perfectly expressed a deep feeling shared by all of us here within Daheshville ...

We all hope from the bottom of our hearts that your words will be able to reach and move the hearts and souls of our brothers and sisters as much as they have touched us ...

When we are united, when we take care of each other, when we show the brotherly love we have for each other, we are honouring our Beloved Guiding Prophet and we become very helpful for The Divine Mission ...

When I read or hear such articles or books, I don't pity those who wrote it as much as I feel sad that we are up to this point still divided and that we are not one group united by body as we are united by soul. Brothers and sisters , I hope that before we face the blowing wind outside, we strengthen the bases of our house.

So true ... Let's pray and hope ...

[Sandrine]

Dr Dahesh indicated that mankind's best hope was to live a life of excellence and hope for reincarnation into a better world.

Ron, we would really like to thank you for defending Doctor Dahesh, it means a lot to all of us ...

We also thank you for your patience and for allowing The Heavenly Message to bloom so nicely in your heart, quietly ... beautifully ...

I couldn't believe how superficial one who calls himself a "human rights philosopher" could be.

"Superficial" is the word Zionic ... thanks for pointing us this link.

We also thank you for your energy, for your work of research and for all the time you are offering to the Daheshist Mission.

This is a great help to protect and preserve Doctor Dahesh's Message and The Daheshist Mission.

Here again, I am sure that this means a lot to the whole Daheshist community.

Dr. Dahesh had his human rights violated, that's the funny thing, and our human rights philosopher couldn't imagine why Dr. Dahesh would be interested in human rights?

Sadly true.

[Loup Solitaire]

Thank You

Thank you Sandrine.

Trenite's post seemed like a dismissal of Dr Dahesh as a significant prophet. I can respect Trenite's position on human rights, but I found his potential for vision on salvation of all people on this planet limited. He failed to understand the basic message.

The point I am trying to make is that there is validity to the points Trenite makes, but there is greater merit to the philosophy advocated by Dr Dahesh. Trenite seemed to think Dr Dahesh failed because he didn't prevent all of the suffering in the world. He failed to realize the elementary fact that suffering causes change in the way people conduct there life. Either in this life or the next.

So while the guy probably considers himself a liberal open to new ideas, he is limited in the actual ability to understand, accept them and to integrate them into his life.

Because of Dr Dahesh, I have developed a greater understanding of suffering and perseverance. Also I have realized that suffering can be minimized, but not avoided.

[Sandrine]

Trenite seemed to think Dr Dahesh failed because he didn't prevent all of the suffering in the world. He failed to realize the elementary fact that suffering causes change in the way people conduct there life. Either in this life or the next.

Yes Ron this is absolutely true ... in the Daheshist conception "Suffering in the world" is the result of our own thoughts, of our own choices, and of our own actions during this present life or during our previous lives.

The Divine justice is accomplished through The Gift of Reincarnation, and you're right, suffering purifies us. Our pain always has a good reason that God only knows.

Doctor Dahesh has recalled us The Spiritual path and the moral values that we should follow in order to avoid certain inevitable consequences among which we find "suffering" ...

Of course God has always mercy upon us and every days we all benefit from His Spiritual Assistance, from miracles that He sends us and that we might even not recognize as being miracles. We should also realize that there is always a price to every miracle that occurs.

Because of Dr Dahesh, I have developed a greater understanding of suffering and perseverance. Also I have realized that suffering can be minimized, but not avoided.

And on the positive side ... when we are acting according to what we all know to be "good" ... sooner or later, there will always be a reward ... here or elsewhere during another life ... that's why Patience is so important ...

Nothing is lost in the eyes of God ...

[Johnson]

Sadly there will be a lot more of this… one can pretty readily see the picture of the world that the author understands (or more correctly, DOESN’T understand) here… and since they really do not have the BIG PICTURE view (unlike the words that have been so eloquently stated here by our fellow Daheshville brothers and sisters)… this individual speaks from a very myopic, small world view… yet feels “expert” enough to come to conclusions… however wrong they may be.

As sad as this is, it does clearly illustrate how Sacred Teachings can get distorted, misunderstood and quite literally altered over time. All the different churches and quite literally, “factions”, that “grew” or rather, “distorted” out of Christianity… well, this is how it happens… and back then the internet didn’t even exist…today it is so easy to distort and mess things up really quickly. The age of the Internet keyboard warrior is here

I am very impressed and moved yet again by all of your words… truly… if anyone looking in needs to see or hear what the very essence of what Daheshism and Community is about…they can just look in and read all of your posts right here…

[zionic]

Sandrine, you make me blush. I really don't put much time into the Mission itself. I'm trying to figure Dr. Dahesh out of course. And why not, sometimes I feel a love for him that is quite irrational for someone who has never met him.

And I stick around because he is always surprising me and catching me off guard. Like with that what was it, "Hymn of the Believer" that Boxfox posted. It rocked my world quite a bit, and I'm pretty sure it is one of the most signfigant windows on the basis of Daheshist Faith that has appeared here in a while. Dr. Dahesh, it would appear may have left more instruction than we realize right now concerning the Temple and Temple worship.

[Johnson]

Sandrine, you make me blush. I really don't put much time into the Mission itself. I'm trying to figure Dr. Dahesh out of course. And why not, sometimes I feel a love for him that is quite irrational for someone who has never met him.

As for all of us Zionic, it is a journey... and you are finding yours... each of our roads all lead in generally the same direction... but we each have our own unique cross to bear, so to speak, and as such each have our own unique, personal and individual journey. It all depends where we each started from, and what we have done to, and allowed to be done to ourselves. It all comes down to how we place ourselves within "the system".

Your love for Dr. Dahesh is hardly irrational... I know completely of what you speak. And here in Daheshville... WE BELIEVE YOU... and celebrate everyone here that has brought themselves to feel what they feel... and to merit what they feel. I've dealt with the same beautiful "irrational" reality for quite some time too... and we are all blessed, everyone of us, to feel this...

And I stick around because he is always surprising me and catching me off guard. Like with that what was it, "Hymn of the Believer" that Boxfox posted. It rocked my world quite a bit, and I'm pretty sure it is one of the most signfigant windows on the basis of Daheshist Faith that has appeared here in a while. Dr. Dahesh, it would appear may have left more instruction than we realize right now concerning the Temple and Temple worship.

I know exactly what you mean. As Dr. Dahesh's words come alive in English due to the diligence of those that are translating His works... it is as if a whole other wing of a mansion is opened for us to explore.

And yes, I firmly believe that we sort have our own "DaVinci Code" here and there in Dr. Dahesh's works... I take great artistic license in saying such a thing, but all things are known by our Creator... and somewhere between the spiritual movement of the Daheshist Mission that has been left to all of us, and our own personal introspections of feeling moved to do certain things... somewhere in all that mix... is a path.