Rumours about Dahesh's death

[Ziyad]

We know that Dr Dahesh died in April 1984.

But a lot of people in Lebanon were told that Dahesh died in the seventies.

Even some Daheshist initially thought that he died in 1979. The mistake found its way to some articles and books.

Is there a reason for that ?

Did the rumours start when Dahesh left Lebanon ?

Did Dahesh himself think it better that some believed he passed away ?

Did he encourage this rumour ?

Mario once mentionned a daheshist who thought Dahesh was dead while he was still alive.

So many enigmas...

[Mario]

Hi Ziyad.

I posted the response in the "Registered Members Only" section.
Here is the direct link to the response.

Regards,

Mario

[Ziyad]

Thank you for your response. I guess we could say of Dahesh what Churchill said about Russia which he described as "a riddle surrounded by an enigma."

It must have been terribly difficult for you to keep the secret, to juggle between those who knew and those who didn't know, and not to make a gaffe.

As for the reasons that prompted Dahesh to propagate this rumour, I can only surmise that he was tired of constant sollicitations and wanted to live in peace surrounded by a few selected devout Daheshists.

But this conjecture does not explain why he didn't want certain people to know that he was dead after his real death.

[Mario]

But this conjecture does not explain why he didn't want certain people to know that he was dead after his real death.

Ah, that might be my mistake. I should have expanded on this issue further. Again, so many things, so little time...

It was not him. Or, at least, I don't think it was. To the best of my knowledge, when the 20 of us met around the table, it was decided that, until further notice, only a select few would be told. And that others would not be told. I couldn't override the vote, really.

There were certain matters hanging in the balance and situations that could have been compromised had it been known that Doctor Dahesh passed away.

So, in the case of the student I mentioned, I was instructed by those older than me to not say anything to him whatsoever. I later fought for his right to know.

Yes... it was often a juggling act.

One time, even, as the Doctor himself emerged from the bedroom on his way to the bathroom, and as I was speaking to "the student" he smiled, surprised me and spoke all the way from the corridor "Who are you speaking to"

Now, I instinctively covered the receiver and said "so and so Doctor" ...

Then I cringed... I thought... "ooooh noooo...."

Luckily, "the Student" didn't hear a thing.

[Ziyad]

Ok, this clears it up.

But this Columbia guy must have been hurt as he was "lied to" or misled twice. He was told that Dahesh was dead before the real death, then he was told that Dahesh was not dead, then after the real death, he was told that Dahesh was still alive.

Talk about a rollercoaster. Thank God he remained loyal to Daheshism.


PS. If I correctly identified the fellow, and if my memory from the books I read serves me well, this fellow was a Daheshist from the day he was born and his very birth was one of Dahesh's miracles.

[Mario]

Ok, this clears it up.

But this Columbia guy must have been hurt as he was "lied to" or misled twice. He was told that Dahesh was dead before the real death, then he was told that Dahesh was not dead, then after the real death, he was told that Dahesh was still alive.

Talk about a rollercoaster. Thank God he remained loyal to Daheshism.


PS. If I correctly identified the fellow, and if my memory from the books I read serves me well, this fellow was a Daheshist from the day he was born and his very birth was one of Dahesh's miracles.

All I can tell you is that the Doctor, before my eyes and ears, said that he and his sister were Loyal.

And, I can assure you that he was never upset the first time I gave him the good news.

And when I gave him the bad news, he sobbed.
He eventually understood and appreciated the predicament we were all in. That is not to say there weren't tough moments of "Why and how come" and "What are we going to do now?!" and (probably) MY screaming that we should respect "so and so" and give them our full support. Because, you have to keep in mind, the "Daheshist Proverbial 'Civil War' would soon begin" and it was a very, very difficult time. So, yeah... I probably did a lot of yelling and maybe even threatened him with things like "You owe US, you stay with US ... " And, in case anyone is wondering, I was gunning for the Trustees. It was an incredibly difficult time Ziyad...

As for his identity, I don't really know the specifics. Was this in Loutfi Radwan's book? I don't know if he was born a Daheshist. I do know that there was a period in his life where he was "out of control" (as he put it) and it was Doctor Dahesh that reformed him. I mean... this was a tough guy that used to walk around with an machine gun under his vest... and he was part of some militia...that's when he was a teenager... You know Lebanon and its glorious militias!

[Ziyad]

As for his identity, I don't really know the specifics. Was this in Loutfi Radwan's book? I don't know if he was born a Daheshist. I do know that there was a period in his life where he was "out of control" (as he put it) and it was Doctor Dahesh that reformed him. I mean... this was a tough guy that used to walk around with an machine gun under his vest... and he was part of some militia...that's when he was a teenager... You know Lebanon and its glorious militias!

Well, if I correctly identified the guy as GM of Columbia, yes I read in Radwan's book or in some other book, that his parents were Daheshists and that Dahesh predicted the birth of G.

[Mario]

But this Columbia guy must have been hurt as he was "lied to" or misled twice.

One more quick comment about this: I know it must seem that way, but if we can imagine (or knew) what Doctor Dahesh might have known about "GM" (things that only a Prophet might have been privy to, in terms of that fellow needed to undergo as far as his own right of passage) then we would see the bigger picture and things might not seem as bad as that. If fact, we would see that everything happened for a reason. And I already mentioned in the members' section to what extent Doctor Dahesh cared for him and how my role was vital.

I mean... listen... I would have fights with my own brother over GM. And I am talking FIGHTS. He would yell (over the phone) "I don't want him in the Apartment" and I would yell back "Tough, the Doctor gave me his blessing and he wants him to stay over!"

Sadly though, and on a personal level, and as I always told him when he would often say to me "Mario, if anyone dared mess with you, etc. etc." I would say to him "G, you would sell me out in a heartbeat."

And he would laugh and say "Oh, Mario, you're a such a kidder!"
And ... eventually... he did. The same people that I worked so hard for him to respect and obey (practically) turned him against me.

Of course, to him, these people were the embodiment of Doctor Dahesh. I was just "Mario"

That's why, and I hope you don't mind me ... kind of... skirting around the issue...

Well, if I correctly identified the guy as GM of Columbia, yes I read in Radwan's book or in some other book, that his parents were Daheshists and that Dahesh predicted the birth of G.

Yep...