Unamed Prophets 124,000 Strong

[Loup Solitaire]

I have read in many places that in Islam there is a Hadith 21257, that states there were 124,000 Prophets, but only only 25 prophets are mentioned by name in the Qur'an. In the future, of people worshiping God, will there be one more name remembered. Or will Dr Dahesh be forgotten like so many others.

If it is as this Hadith states, there were 124,000 people who were faithful witnesses, but quickly forgotten, then maybe the same will happen again. Or will it?

Individual action, no matter how great or small, one action after another, day after can make a difference. Read carefully and examine what he stood for. Take a stand.

Meanwhile examine all that you believe and sort the wheat from the chaff!

[Mario]

Wait and see...

Of course, we don't know if that number includes the prophets and spiritual guides who were present over the course of the 761 Geneses that Earth has known. I've also heard that at different points in "ancient" time there were more than one prophet sent to deliver God's message.

Furthermore, Daheshists believe that animals possess a sense of right and wrong and (just like humans) can be conscious of the existence of the Creator. Doctor Dahesh's books are filled with references of animals giving thanks to God. We also know that trees can have a dark side—so can inanimate objects. And the preceding list is infinitesimally small compared to the mountain of revelations that Daheshism still has to share with the world.

This may be old news, but here goes: When I asked Doctor Dahesh if there were any animal prophets, he smiled and said "leave us now from this" (which I translate as "Let's not not get into it")

And I even remember having a matter-of-fact conversation about animal prophets with the same Trustee who delivered the famous line that ended up in the "What She Said" thread. I vaguely remember her saying something to the effect of the following (so, I am paraphrasing): "Sure, but consider the limitations if a cat or a dog were prophets. They can only communicate with a limited number of their kind."

All that aside:

Interestingly, the Muslims believe that the Prophet Muhammad is the last of the prophets. Which means, technically speaking, that according to the Prophet Muhammad, there will be no new prophet after him.

No new prophet.

The Muslims do believe is the return of Jesus Christ. But, and from what I have gathered, they would not consider Jesus Christ returned as being a new prophet, being that he has already appeared on Earth.

And according to Brax's letter :

" The twentieth spiritual level is not found but in three: Adam, Jesus Christ and Dahesh. It is the same Spiritual Sayyal, the Sayyal of Redemption. This Sayyal was not in Adam, but he descended from his 150th Realm of Paradise and incarnated in Adam to redeem him.

Dr. Dahesh did not write works of fiction. All his works, even the short stories, are either miraculously revealed, i.e., instantly written on blank paper or inspired for a spiritual purpose. "

Basically: In Daheshist theology(?) we believe that Dahesh is Jesus returned. Therefore, when one says "I am a Daheshist" he or she is saying "I Believe that Dahesh is Jesus."

There is no gray area here.

And to be clear: CHRIST (or THE CHRIST) is the source from which all the prophets, including Jesus, Dahesh, and Gandhi (who was one of CHRIST's Spiritual Fluids, and who Doctor Dahesh referred to as "The Prophet of the 20th Century") emanated.

If what I am saying is true, then fear not for "all of this" is part of a bigger plan. In other words, this is a test.

There is no way Jesus' return would fall into oblivion.

Sure, anything is possible and we believe nothing happens without a reason.

But, we're talking about "the return of Jesus Christ" here.
As for those who keep turning a deaf ear, we have a saying in Lebanese:

إذا بدها تشتي كانت غيمت

(Itha Badha Tshattee Kaanat Ghayyamet)

Translated loosely, it reads:

"If it was supposed to rain, we would have seen clouds by now"

No one can say we didn't try...

[Loup Solitaire]

Interestingly, the Muslims believe that the Prophet Muhammad is the last of the prophets. Which means, technically speaking, that according to the Prophet Muhammad, there will be no new prophet after him.

No new prophet.

The Muslims do believe is the return of Jesus Christ. But, and from what I have gathered, they would not consider Jesus Christ returned as being a new prophet, being that he has already appeared on Earth.

And according to Brax's letter :

" The twentieth spiritual level is not found but in three: Adam, Jesus Christ and Dahesh. It is the same Spiritual Sayyal, the Sayyal of Redemption. This Sayyal was not in Adam, but he descended from his 150th Realm of Paradise and incarnated in Adam to redeem him.

Dr. Dahesh did not write works of fiction. All his works, even the short stories, are either miraculously revealed, i.e., instantly written on blank paper or inspired for a spiritual purpose. "

Basically: In Daheshist theology(?) we believe that Dahesh is Jesus returned. Therefore, when one says "I am a Daheshist" he or she is saying "I Believe that Dahesh is Jesus."

There is no gray area here.

And to be clear: CHRIST (or THE CHRIST) is the source from which all the prophets, including Jesus, Dahesh, and Gandhi (who was one of Christ's Spiritual Fluids, and who Doctor Dahesh referred to as "The Prophet of the 20th Century") emanated.

If what I am saying is true, then fear not for "all of this" is part of a bigger plan. In other words, this is a test.

There is no way Jesus' return would fall into oblivion.

Sure, anything is possible and we believe nothing happens without a reason.

But, we're talking about "the return of Jesus Christ" here.
As for those who keep turning a deaf ear, we have a saying in Lebanese:

إذا بدها تشتي كانت غيمت

(Itha Badha Tshattee Kaanat Ghayyamet)

Translated loosely, it reads:

"If it was supposed to rain, we would have seen clouds by now"

No one can say we didn't try...

Mario, thanks for your thoughtful response.

In reference to Brax's letter, I would like to clarify a point. My understanding was that Dr Dahesh did attempt to reconcile an issue between Christianity and Islam. That issue is whether Jesus was "Christ" or carried the spiritual fluid of Christ. It seems to me to refer to Jesus as "Jesus Christ" as Brax did, confuses the issue. Sorry to pick knits, but I'm anal that way.

Do you agree that referring to Jesus by the "Title" is correct? Am I grasping what Dr Dahesh meant to say about Christianity's belief's about Jesus's true identity?

And then:

"There is no way Jesus' return would fall into oblivion."

I think more people better get to work!

[Mario]

Mario, thanks for your thoughtful response.

In reference to Brax's letter, I would like to clarify a point. My understanding was that Dr Dahesh did attempt to reconcile an issue between Christianity and Islam. That issue is whether Jesus was "Christ" or carried the spiritual fluid of Christ. It seems to me to refer to Jesus as "Jesus Christ" as Brax did, confuses the issue. Sorry to pick knits, but I'm anal that way.

Do you agree that referring to Jesus by the "Title" is correct? Am I grasping what Dr Dahesh meant to say about Christianity's belief's about Jesus's true identity?

And then:

"There is no way Jesus' return would fall into oblivion."

I think more people better get to work!

You are welcome Ron.

In terms of the "issue" between Christianity and Islam:

The main issue is the one pertaining to the crucifixion. The Muslims believe that Jesus himself was not crucified and that a (spiritual) copy was crucified in his place.

Now, and similarly to how the real Doctor Dahesh was not shot by an execution squad in Azerbaijan (an event that was documented and ... celebrated by many) the real Jesus was not crucified. Hence, Daheshism, —by virtue of that particular miracle that occurred in the 20th Century, and for anyone who is willing to accept that revelation—shows that there is no contradiction in the Koran.

The other has to do with Jesus Christ merely being a prophet (who has certainly performed amazing miracles). As we know (and I was brought as a Catholic myself) to the Christians, God and Jesus Christ are one and the same.

Daheshists (whether they met Doctor Dahesh and witnessed his amazing Miracles or not) were taught that such a belief transgresses the truth (in a very bad way) and is an invention by the men of the clergy (Strange Tales and Wondrous Legends, Page 86, paragraph 3)

To put it in terms that leave no room for misunderstanding—and I am sorry if this offends our fellow Christians—but the Creator is not one that people can spit on (as they did in the days of Jesus for example). And I know the Christian clergy would argue that God loved us so much, he submitted himself to all that abuse and horrific treatment. That's a premise alright. We can accept it or reject it. Daheshists, as do the Muslims, cannot accept it.

Now, as far as the Title itself. I took the liberty to translate some of what the Doctor wrote in in "Strange Tales and Wondrous Legends" (Part 3).

An Awe-Inspiring and Horrifying Dream

or

Four criminals their fifth the She-Viper of Vice and Crime

And there was Lord Christ and he was speaking with Moses and Elijah and Hosea and the prophet Solomon and his father the prophet David and Abraham the true friend and Jacob... and there is Daniel the prophet of God who was unjustly thrown into the pit of the extremely hungry lions, so they avoided hurting him despite their killer hunger.

And from their discussion I knew they were one person with multiple (spiritual) fluids. So each prophet from them is a fluid from the essential person, and this prophet brought his fluids to different levels [ ... ] relative to his deeds; and have all visited Planet Earth at different times and (under) different names, whereas the fact is they are one prophet who is sent to Earth to establish a religion compatible with the fluids of her sons in the period in which he materializes.

Then in the next section the prophets are discussing what they endured at the hands of the "miscreant human-beings." And the prophet Moses explains how the actions of the people of Israel ultimately led to his dying before he actually entered Jerusalem. According to what the Doctor wrote, Moses was promised by the Spirit that he would "see Jerusalem." But according to the story, Moses never got past seeing Jerusalem from atop the mountain that overlooked it. And thus, the prophecy of the Spirit was fulfilled. Moses, in fact, "saw" Jerusalem. But he never entered it.

Moving on...

The Lord Christ

As for The Lord Christ [...] (he) said, completing his conversation with Moses and the prophets:

" . . . And I descended to Earth repeatedly and with different names and they did not bow to my teachings [...] As for righteousness whose good news I announced, the number of individuals who practice it can be counted on the fingertips. I say this with great regret, as when one of my fluids materialized in India under the name of 'Gandhi,' his fate from Judas — who was himself Judas Iscariot—was death.

[...]

And The Lord Christ continued his speaking saying:

"I am addressing you oh my (spiritual) fluids (who are) gathered, now, under the names of numerous prophets, and you are none other than me — in other words you are dispatched from my (spiritual) fluids and you descended to Earth to complete the Divine Message. And for this (reason) I said to the Jews to whom I spoke: 'I came to complete and not destroy.'

And is it possible that I would destroy what I built before in past cycles of my consecutive lifetimes?

That is why I declared my phrase that has been cited.

And had I said 'I am he who has built these teachings that have come from the mouths of Ezekiel and Jeremiah and Hosea and so on ... because I was myself the one who was called by these numerous names' they would have stoned me.

And I abided by the adage that said: 'Speak to people according to the capacity of their minds' and (that is why) I spoke to them using symbols that (the coming) days will uncover and will elucidate in their clear truth.

And when I was known by the name of 'Jesus Christ,' and my birth was in a manger in Bethlehem and my growing up what in the city of Nazareth ... "

And then we learn that because the 20th Fluid (who is — according to what we read later on — one of The Lord Christ's Fluids) had something to do with Jesus Christ not being (himself) crucified, and that the Fluid 20 had to remain on Earth for 20 Centuries, and subsequently return to "carry the cross" again and be feared and vilified (etc.) by all ...

And then The Lord Christ explains that he materialized in the Twentieth Century and was known as "Dahesh."

I hope this helps clarify matters.

[Johnson]

I have to say, there is nothing in the world like reading the writings such as these written by Dr. Dahesh. Why MORE of these works have not already been published by the powers that be in English will always be quite perplexing to me.

As always, but I truly mean it... thank you for translating these excerpts for us... as well as the analysis that only you can provide. Every piece such as this that I read in English, so clearly and simply fills in another little piece of the bigger picture.

[WingedPaladin]

I have read in many places that in Islam there is a Hadith 21257, that states there were 124,000 Prophets, but only only 25 prophets are mentioned by name in the Qur'an.

A few more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categor...ormon_prophets