6th Epistle to Darrick Evenson

[Darrick Evenson]

Epistle # 6
6/18/2006

Dear Darrick,

Dr. Brax has been disappointed by the discussion over the subject of homosexuality on Mario’s Website Forum. In his letters to anyone, Dr. Brax has no time to elaborate upon any subject. His work in Dahesh Voice and the Daheshist Publishing Co. consumes all his weekdays. Everything related to Daheshist teachings is elaborated in the Book of Daheshism (6 large volumes) that was ordered by the Holy Spirit in a miraculously written Message. In addition, Dr. Dahesh himself suggested to Dr. Brax to write six other complementary books that give further elaboration on specific subjects. In the coming years, he will begin translating and then publishing them.

As for the subject of homosexuality, he sent you an outline (not even a summary). Presuming to know the details without knowing them may have harmful consequences, particularly on the Web. In the paragraph of homosexuality he sent you, he outlined that “homosexuals have to overcome their perversion at any price, for it is against God’s will. Willfully, they corrupted their desires and tendencies in their current lifetime or in a previous incarnation, or they inherited the perversion. They are responsible for it.” He did not say that governments (or whatever authority) have to force them to overcome their perversion at any price. The Almighty Himself does not force anyone to opt for the good, for He endowed every creature with a free will to choose good or evil, and consequently they will be rewarded or punished.

The carnal desire, be it straight or perverted, is like hunger in its insistence. It persistently drives man to satisfy it. However, Daheshism, as well as other religions, has known people who were able to overcome that carnal desire. Attempting to overcome it may bring discomfort, but they have to bear it. A continuous bearance results in overcoming the perverted desire.

As for the governments’ duty toward homosexuals, Dr. Brax did not say the governments have the right to interfere in homosexuals’ homes and privacy. He said that they “have the duty to not leave them corrupt the straight people or revel in a false marriage.” This is tantamount to protect children from the pedophile predators, or protect people from serial killers, or homes from burglars. In brief, governments should not prosecute or persecute homosexuals for their orientation in private life or place of work, but they have the duty to not allow them to teach children their perverted way, or to make parades or demonstrations in which they display their pride in their perversion. Governments will also be on the wrong side if they legalize the marriage of homosexuals.

Dr. Brax (who visited Dr. Dahesh hundreds of times during 20 years, and then lived with him about two years day and night in the same residence) likes to remind all Daheshists that the Beloved Prophet (who encompasses in his Spiritual Self all the Prophets and divine Guides who ever came to earth) alluded, many times, in his writings and speech, to Sodom and Gomorrah that had aroused God’s wrath which resulted in their destruction. Over 25 years ago, he said, in New York City, that he (or maybe a Daheshist) should warn the whole world, and in particular, the USA, in an address delivered in the United Nations Quarters, of a big catastrophe which would befall the USA and the World if Sodom and Gomorrah’s perversion and debauchery were not put to an end in the USA and other countries. The nations that revel in democracy and freedom without limits would be responsible before the Almighty as much as the despotic regimes, for there is no action, no desire, no thought hidden from the Mind of God.

At last, never Dr. Dahesh was tolerant with homosexuals when they trespassed their privacy. In January 1981, while in USA, Dr. Dahesh ordered some Daheshists to expose and attack in writing some Lesbians in Lebanon, even though the civil war was raging and danger was imminent. Surely, he had his spiritual reasons to pick them, but at the same time, he taught us to not be sluggish in front of evil. Mario’s brother, C. C. has the whole story.

As for the Butler who worked at the USA residence where Dr. Dahesh stayed, I knew him very well, during my frequent visits in 1986 and 1987 and thereafter. Furthermore, I have been with the Butler’s Employees for twenty years. I learned that he was married and had a family (wife and children), and the family that employed him used to visit his family every few weeks to help it in different ways. That’s why I gather out that the whole story about his homosexuality is teasing and kidding, or a figment of fancy.

May God provide you with spiritual light,

Dr. Brax Assistant

N. Brax

[Daheshville]

Let's not mix the issues.

Epistle # 6
6/18/2006
At last, never Dr. Dahesh was tolerant with homosexuals when they trespassed their privacy. In January 1981, while in USA, Dr. Dahesh ordered some Daheshists to expose and attack in writing some Lesbians in Lebanon, even though the civil war was raging and danger was imminent. Surely, he had his spiritual reasons to pick them, but at the same time, he taught us to not be sluggish in front of evil. Mario’s brother, C. C. has the whole story.

As for the Butler who worked at the USA residence where Dr. Dahesh stayed, I knew him very well, during my frequent visits in 1986 and 1987 and thereafter. Furthermore, I have been with the Butler’s Employees for twenty years. I learned that he was married and had a family (wife and children), and the family that employed him used to visit his family every few weeks to help it in different ways. That’s why I gather out that the whole story about his homosexuality is teasing and kidding, or a figment of fancy.

May God provide you with spiritual light,

Dr. Brax Assistant

N. Brax

First of all, this is NOT "Mario's Forum." This is "DAHESHVILLE." Everyone has the right to voice their opinion and (not unless they use profanity) they will not be censored.

Secondly, I knew EXACTLY who that "group of lesbians" were. There were led by a Daheshist Sister, who, along with her brother, turned out to be INFORMANTS (spies) AND were responsible for the capture and torture of three Daheshists. I know who that TRAITOR is, I've visisted her back in 1979 (accompanied by her brother) ... It's a long story and I will write about that in a separate message.

Thirdly. I would NEVER kid or joke about such a matter. Any Daheshist who would suggest I would even dare joke about such matters, obvioulsy does not know me.


All that aside, when I see condensed words given to Darrick INDIRECTLY, and JUST LIKE THAT, without the background or context, which can then—in the hands of the mortals—be potentially misinterpreted, it is my job to set the record straight.

You can believe whatever you want. I have information that proves the contrary.

That Gay Butler never acted "gay." He was "discreet." But I knew he was gay because it was a "common secret" some of the family members and I shared, plus, the son of his employer told me, after the son invited him to go to the movies, as friends, the butler asked—and I quote exactly what the son of the butler's employer claimed that the butler told him :

"Will I get to first base with you."

When I heard that, I was shocked. So I confided in the employer's daughter. It didn't seem to bother her. Then at another occasion, I made an offbeat comment about the butler, alluding to the fact he was gay (Hey, I was a lot younger then...call it peer pressure) and the employer said something to the effect of "he has more 'man' in him than many men combined..."

Maybe he WAS married... My first boss had 2 children and...was a Homosexual. I want to believe in the tooth fairy too...

As far as "being there"... I practically LIVED there between 1980 and 1985, and I kept visiting (by request!) and STAYING OVER until 1990.

Yes, had the Butler tried to "impose" his "gayness" I am sure he would have been fired. And another thing, that household didn't have TOO many men around. I was among a priviledged few. That butler was "trusted" because, dare I make a blasphemous remark by interjecting an outlandish OPINION, he was gay.

I stand behing what I said.

Regards

Mario

PS. "Figment of Fancy"... yeah, right... As if, I, a man the Doctor TRUSTED to relay messages for him and to recieve messages on his behalf, for YEARS, and to act as a spokesperson, would dare do such a thing...Here is another figment of fancy: 20 years and nothing is published...

[Mario]

Round #2

N. Brax, on Behalf of Doctor Brax wrote : " Dr. Brax (who visited Dr. Dahesh hundreds of times during 20 years, and then lived with him about two years day and night in the same residence) likes to remind all Daheshists that the Beloved Prophet (who encompasses in his Spiritual Self all the Prophets and divine Guides who ever came to earth) alluded, many times, in his writings and speech, to Sodom and Gomorrah that had aroused God’s wrath which resulted in their destruction."

I don't think the length of time one stayed with the Doctor matters. Would you not agree? This is not a contest. The point is this:

"Here are the Daheshist Doctrines. Take them or leave them. One has the God Given right to free will."


Did or did not the Doctor believe that a person has the ineliable right to free will?

I don't need ANYBODY to remind me what is right or wrong. All I was after was, in fact, the most important part—which was LEFT OUT:

"He did not say that governments (or whatever authority) have to force them to overcome their perversion at any price. The Almighty Himself does not force anyone to opt for the good, for He endowed every creature with a free will to choose good or evil, and consequently they will be rewarded or punished."

Leaving out that important part makes a BIG difference! You know why? Because there are gay bashers out there just waiting to join the right "organization" that would condone their act.

Now, WHAT did I have in MY defense to PROVE that the Doctor respected other people's choices (despite as HARD it was for him to see them make them)? Well, the story of the Gay Butler. I know, it is a shocking story. But it is the truth, and not a "figment of fancy"...

In case you don't know, not everyone who is gay is "proud." Many are scared and confused. Go ahead, turn them away from the light with incomplete information!


"M. Chakkour" on Behalf "M. Chakkour"

[Hussein]

Dear Mario，
If we take it easy, may we see much better? I understand you quite well, and you are right in all of your opinion. But in the same time, Dr. Ghazi is right too. He is speaking about the results as the Dr. Dahesh himself mentioned for that many times in his writings. And I don’t think Dr. Ghazi is against the freedom of everyone of the creatures. Or he doesn’t know that every one has the right to practice his freedom as he likes, and later will be judged by God.
Sure we are not God to judge everyone, but in the same time, if the government shouldn’t help these kind of peoples, and show that as a legal or normal thing. May too much of these gays whom they are scared and confused as you said, may they will stop that, or at least will not be something normal and infect the others. Don’t forget “Quiet about the truth mute devil “.

[Johnson]

Dear N. Brax: Thank you for participating in this discussion on Ghazi’s behalf. It is exciting to hear that there will be a multi-volume set that outlines the Daheshist principles. I as well as so many others look forward to that! It must be exciting to see that come to fruition after 20+ years of work.

I think the confusion of homosexuality came about in part from a line that you had sent in your last letter regarding governments and homosexuals:

“The governments have the duty to not leave them corrupt the straight people or revel in a false marriage.”

I think there may have been some ambiguities here. Thank you for taking the time to clarify what Ghazi meant.

Mario: Thank you for clarifying your point as well. I think the illumination of as many of the deeper subtleties of all these complex issues is a great help. The roads to understanding these answers are not always just black and white…understanding comes from clarifying the many shades of gray. I think you also brought to the forefront the issue of compassion that you witnessed the Dr. show for so many.

Finally, I think this website, where at least there is some degree of discourse (good and/or bad!) is important. I am glad to see the circle of interactions growing. This is a website that hopefully continues to grow; both in terms of content as well as dialogue. This is everyone’s site… There are people out there searching, asking questions, looking for answers, as well as those that just would like to have a common community for what they have in their hearts. There are many out there that have had experiences with Dr. Dahesh that would like to talk about or share those experiences after all this time. This is about a community where all this can exist...openly, honestly and with an effort to clarify all issues and perspectives.

[Mario]

Dear Hussein,

Now, after many days of "reflection" I would like to share the following thoughts, in the hope that they initiate a spirited debate:

First and foremost, and in my humble opinion, we have the responsibility not to fall into the (very bad) habit of "labeling" people. In other words, if someone is "gay" and regardless of who they are, what good they bring into society, their kindness towards other, etc., we would render that irrelevant based solely on their sexual orientation, whether they are discreet or not.

Before anyone points the finger at a man or woman who came out of the closet and starts labeling them, remember the courage it took them to confront their friends and family. Maybe we should learn to be as courageous as they are...

Secondly, I am still troubled by the belief (some) Daheshists (may) have that someone who is gay is prone to "infect" others.

I call that irrational fear.

Many great men were gay. Am I not right?

Is it not naive to think that someone who is genetically predisposed to find women repulsive as life partners can suddenly (be expected to) change and become "straight" ?

Yes, I am sure anyone, given the wrong place and setting, can be "infected" (as you say). And, yes, I don't like to see Gay Pride parades which openly flaunt the sexual aspect. I've known many gays and lesbians who share my view.

When we read the Prayer of Dahesh, what do we learn? That we are ALL human in need of salvation. True reform can only happen from the inside out, by osmosis with those who live by example.

Thirdly, there is nothing new under the sun. NOTHING we are saying HERE is really a mystery. Many other religions say basically the same thing in different terms/images. The only difference is that, in THIS cycle, we have genuine disciples who face a REAL responsibility of reaching out and putting themselves on the line. And not merely publish words and call it a day. Despite the technological advances that allow a disciple to diffuse information, there is STILL the need for Debate. A place such as Dahesville allows that type of interaction to happen. (yes, that was a shameless plug!)

What matters is how the DISCIPLE behaves regardless of the public's reception.

Besides, didn't Christ say "I know my sheep and my sheep know me?" What does that tell us?

To me that says the following: whatever we do, there WILL be a Daheshist Religion, and there WILL be a Daheshist Temple, there WILL be Daheshist Priests... But the question is this: what role does the Disciple play?

Personally, I think that the Disciple is here to make sure the public realizes that the Doctor was a force vast enough to embrace the heavens, yet HUMBLE enough to dwell within the heart.

Which means, if HE lived modestly, and if HE was sincere, and if HE didn't speak in a condescending manner, and HE was against the cult of personality, the last thing we want is to see Daheshism degenerate into another of those religions where the clergy are the rulers.

True, he WROTE strong WORDS. Go read his passages about WOMAN... But, then again, he wrote about MAN. To truly appreciate his vision (based solely on his writings) one MUST read everything.

But, that is NOT always possible.

That is why, disciples have the duty to fill the gap.

That's why I don't think one should follow wholeheartedly and unconditionally "the Epistles" without having other perspectives as well.

So, to recap my point, those who lived with the Doctor have the responsibility to recreate in any means possible, what it felt like to be around him.

But, let's get back this issue of Governments and their moral duties...

How about ABORTION? Do WE want the government to interfere in that as well?

Are we saying that the government should also make abortion illegal? On the other hand, if we take a moment and ponder the short list that Darrick posted, it is clear that in Dahehism, abortion is NOT a crime in SOME cases.

For example, in the case of rape, incest, or imminent danger for the mother's life...

Think about that... What Daheshism is saying is "Abortion is a moral/spiritual issue and not a legal one."

If it WAS a legal issue, then, it would have been ILLEGAL to abort a fetus under ANY circumstance.

The point is this: it is not just about giving a set of commandments and following them mechanically, especially when we know that thoughts can (in some instances) count more than actions. Also, especially that those issues are COMPLEX.

Case in point...

Years ago, Dahesh Voice itself printed an article about AIDS and its prevention. The article was objective, informative, of the garden variety we might see on network TV.

Did that article talk about spiritual consequences of not being in a monogamous relationship (for example)?

Did I miss something? If I did, please let me know, I will issue a retraction.

Assuming I am correct in my recollection, how can the Editor in Chief of Dahesh Voice talk about such a subject without mentioning the basics of Daheshist MORALITY? Especially in view of these recent "epistles"!

Meaning, if GOVERNMENTS have the moral duty to not let us fall spiritually, what does that say about a magazine that carries the name of Doctor Dahesh?

Maybe since then the editorial content has changed. I wouldn't know... I stopped reading it after that one particular article.

So please, let us not simply deplore certain gays for wanting to "infect" straight men.
We should also make it clear that we deplore ANY sort of coercion, may it be of the sexual, verbal, habitual, or mental kind.

And, for the record, we already know that the Doctor deplored the Sexual Act at its core. Again, go read "Marriage" in "Broken Heart."

Based on "Marriage" in "Broken Heart," and if we are to apply pure logic, only those who are virgins, of pure mind AND body, can take upon themselves the role of purifying anyone (assuming such as thing is possible) or at the very least, giving advice.

How many parents shunned their children for wanting to get married?

Remember that article I wrote called "The Daheshist Loan?" Well, the plot thickens. That man (please refer to the article) had no problem saying to hundreds of thousands (perhaps millions) of TV viewers that he considered his daughter as being his muse... Not his wife... his daughter. He even showed the (published) book of poetry he wrote in her honor.

I am not suggesting what you might think I am suggesting. But, you have to admit it is a little bit odd, don't you think? This is a man who might be living with the illusion that his daughter will never leave home... will never get married... If that is the case, I have bad news for him: I heard the Doctor HIMSELF say the following words about one Daheshist sister (from the "older generation"):

"(she) is intelligent. She totally gets it. She said to me 'woman needs man'..."

And you really want to know what is so strange about this story?

Well, that "sister" the Doctor was crediting for having uttered the wise words "woman needs man" is none other than THAT man's (featured in "The Daheshist Loan") REAL blood older sister!

Which brings me to the most important declaration in this (perhaps long and tedious monologue)...

Where is the line between absurdity and reality?

When we study cities we notice that those which have been erected overnight never reach the same level of quality than those built over hundreds of years. Only those who evolved through time, have the qualities we seek... Mainly, a sense of scale... livability... Note that some of the most beautiful cities are not necessarily clean... Meaning, they are old, they have character, they offer complex and interesting urban experiences. Meanwhile, housing developments, regardless of how perfect they might be, lack character. Younger people might prefer living in the city where there is a more intimate contact with other people, while others like to live in the suburbs and keep their neighbors at bay.

On the other hand, to some, cities are not that complicated. They are simply vast pieces of land onto which buildings have been built in order to provide shelter.

Cities are a reflection of us.

If we hope to achieve anything in terms of a Daheshist society, organization, etc., we have to have (good/bad/ugly/beautiful/relevant/or not) INTERACTIVE DISCOURSE and I sincerely hope this place (Daheshville) can be the starting point.

On a purely mundane level, WHO in their right mind, "watching" us debate FREELY and OPENLY would DARE suggest we are a CULT?

[Mario]

Look what I Found!

Epistle # 6
6/18/2006
As for the subject of homosexuality, he sent you an outline (not even a summary). Presuming to know the details without knowing them may have harmful consequences, particularly on the Web.

OK... What about in "Writing?"

Here is what I just discovered in my archives: A manuscript for an unpublished book (for which I was commissioned to create a cover and interior illustrations and for which I wrote an introduction). The date on the manuscript is "March 6, 1996."


" At one point in my life, I used to look at gay people with disgust. I even mentioned to a gay person once, "if it were up to me, I would have all of them [gays] shot." Of course, I did not mean not literally but that was simply using hyperbole to display my attitude toward those who were not "normal". Strangely enough, I live in a society in which sexual affairs before marriage (fornication) are common and are accepted by many and in which it is not usual to have extramarital affairs (adultery). Now, fornication and adultery are against the commandments of God, and so is homosexuality. What I couldn't understand was why I did not feel disgusted when I heard of a heterosexual affair while I felt outraged when I heard of a homosexual affair. In the case of a man-woman relationship, if two people are true and committed to each other, how is that different from marriage? Does it take a legal document to confirm marriage? Does the blessing of the clergy given during a religious ceremony transform fornication into acceptable behavior? In the case of homosexual relations I most likely felt outraged because society had conditioned me to look at one type of relationship as normal and another as abnormal. A very fine line separates normality from abnormality. Personally, I do not look at homosexuality as normal. It is a practice that runs counter to the natural human reproductive cycle. Modern research is not clear on whether homosexuality is acquired or arises due to factors in our social environment."

Then the author says...

"You may find it surprising to know that Peter Tchaikovsky was gay. Tchaikovsky once wrote to this brother that he would marry any woman just to be able to hide his sexual preference..."

Then we come to...

"Tchaikovsky's homosexuality did not deter him from creating such beautiful music..."

Then we read...

"Some people may think it is acceptable to have multiple affairs if they are with those of the opposite sex. I personally do not condone either promiscuity or homosexuality, and I think that persons with such tendencies should not try to moralize their behavior..."

Then...

"All major religions state that such behavior is unacceptable. Why? I do not know, and I don't think any person has the answer!

Every religion has the right to define acceptable behavior for its followers. The problem is this: What if some of the followers want to deviate from established guidelines and still want full recognition by the religion? You can't have your cake and eat it, too — unless you are Henry VIII, who severed the Church and England from the Church of Rome because the Pope refused him a divorce. If people engage in homosexuality or promiscuity, they are in violation of the guidelines of Judaism, Christianity, Islam, and other religions...

... I will not cast the first stone. In many respects, a gay person might be a better human being than I. He or she might do more to benefit humanity than I could ever dream of doing, Besides, who knows what's in their heart?


Somewhere in the Universe a civilization may exist in which homosexual relationships are viewed as normal and heterosexual relationships are viewed are abnormal. Who knows? Some species on Earth have both male and female organs, and while mating they fertilize each other. What could me more outrageous to us in our culture than incest? Yet, somewhere in the universe, such relationships may be viewed as acceptable. If we are visited by inhabitants of another world whose most outrageous crime is plucking a flower, they will see us as murdering savages. After years of soul searching, I have finally realized that everything in life is relative. There is no such thing are an absolute. All we can do is try to abide by the guidelines provided by God through His prophets, while allowing our common sense and compassion to steer us through life. As far as homosexuality is concerned, I have to say yes to tolerance but no to acceptance."

Wow...

And yet, the Daheshist who wrote these words would later become the key architect behind seeking to destroy Daheshville, and the one who wrote me these words:

"As to the mission, I am puzzled and amazed! Common sense dictates that the person entrusted by the Spirit and the Beloved with the spread of Daheshism and the laying down of the Daheshist teachings (not interpretations) be helped and respected."

Um... Yeah... In my defense, my comments (about 10 years later) echoed exactly his/her sentiment. So...why wasn't I rewarded for "helping and respecting the person entrusted by the Spirit and the Beloved with the spread of Daheshim?" Hey, I just do what I am told!

Hmm... I wonder what Ghazi Brax would say about it?

See, if what "the person entrusted by the Spirit and the Beloved with the spread of Daheshim" wrote was nonsense, then how could he/she be "the person entrusted by the Spirit and the Beloved with the spread of Daheshim?" Even worse... why would Brax collaborate with him/her.

We are talking about "the" person... not just any person...

Incidentally, behind Ghazi's back, I've always written highly of him:

For that, I strongly suggest you seek out and find one
Dr. Ghazi Brax (Ph.D.) . He is a Daheshist Scholar who is (I believe) the editor in
Chief of DAHESH VOICE.

We all know what he wrote about me...

[Johnson]

I know that Mario has always spoken favorably of Ghazi Brax. I know that Mario has always spoken favorably about the Daheshist 'Trustees'... I also know he was a loyal brother to another Daheshist that writes on another site about Daheshism.

Anything that Mario has ever said about any of these people that one would feel as being disparaging has been FACT BASED... unlike the ill intended hyperbole and dare I say HATE that certain of these individuals have directed at Mario... not only have Mario's comments been fact based, but his comments have been based on the VERY COMMENTS AND WORDS that these people have uttered~! Everything from the Daheshist Trustees issuing the statement that Dr. Dahesh "though charismatic, was not a prophet..." Think about that, the Daheshist Trustees saying that Dr. Dahesh was not a prophet~!… and to this day, not a single utterance of retraction from any of them… In Mario’s own words… Citizens of the world, I urge you to register and log on to the MEMBERS ONLY section and acquaint yourself with 'INNOCENT in CHAINS: 'the notes' and to read it (at the very least Part One), after which it will become evident to you what Doctor Dahesh has endured in order for you to be able to enjoy visiting the Museum and eat at The Cafe Opaline, and how unfair it is that any organization that uses his name dares not pay homage to his struggle.

And the person who writes on another website about Daheshism has been quoted as saying the following HATE toward Mario… "Tell Mario that everyone thinks that Mario is crazy, and that anybody who comes in contact with him or with Daheshville, will have their spiritual fluids degenerate..."

Now here is where I can add commentary on this particular individual. On July 4, 2007, around 6:00 am, I had a dream in which myself, Mario and Dr. Dahesh paid a secret visit to an old run down rooming house to visit someone. Just outside the door of this person’s residence, Dr. Dahesh looked me straight in the eyes and said to me… “I want you and Mario to go in there and really give it to these people~!” I looked at Mario and Mario smiled a knowing smile that he knew what the Dr. meant… Somewhat surprised, I asked, “You mean REALLY, give it to these people, Dr.?” Dr. Dahesh looked at me, so deadly serious, and said "YES~!"and made rapid finger gestures implying the rat-a-tat of machine guns… I knew his implication was to go in and verbally tear apart whoever was inside.

On Dr. Dahesh's order, Mario and I stormed inside and launched a verbal assault on this person, the likes of which were almost horrifying in its intensity…relentless, over and over and over…as per the exactitude of Dr. Dahesh’s orders; "... like a machine gun..." While this was going on, there was a crazed woman that ran around frantically screaming; yelling hysterically at us to to leave. Sitting dejected, broken and defenseless in the middle of this dirty run down kitchen was one very sad and miserable individual... he just sat there, with his head down, and his arms hanging down in total resignation. This went on for what seemed like hours. When Mario and I finally left, we vowed to these two people that we would call the newspaper and expose them (and their family) for what they did.

After I awoke, I wrote the dream down in my journal. The entire dream was actually in three parts and it took me about an hour and half to write everything down. In the dream and after I awoke, I did not recognize the person we were tearing apart in that run down kitchen…. We were just following the Dr.’s very specific instructions. I wrote in the most precise and implicit detail every nuance of the look, dress, glasses, hair and features of the person I saw in the kitchen… I called Mario on the phone and took him through the entire dream. When it came to the part of my describing the individual in the kitchen, Mario laughed, and said…”David, do you know who that is???” As it turned out, I had described in exact detail the very individual that had written this aforementioned HATE about Mario…

[samer el haddad]

Adressed to whomever feels concerned.

Dear readers,

reading the quotes in this thread provokes a well aware and objective person to create a prejudgemental idea about the personals who are debating or debated about.I would humbly ask all brothers and sisters to fight this urge and try to analyse the posted argument objectively.

Dear Mario,
Reading your posts is always as interesting as frightening.
The issue brought up about Tchaikovsky being gay didn't stop him from composing great music is not used in the correct order for every Daheshist knows that the human spiritual fluids constituting his being contain both degraded and elevated characteristics.The fact that Tchaikovsky was a gifted composer has no relation to his sexual behavior.What was written doesn't imply that you mean so Dear Mario,but it seems that it is used as an argument to show that you are right and win the debate.

After reading the epistles,The reader categorizes the documents as letters of guidance adressed from the writer to the reader based on personal knowledge and beliefs,Thus putting the seeker in the same level with themselves.This is noble and formal.

But after the debate in public forums is won by stepping over respectful\nonrespectful personals,i believe we all lose.I would humbly recommend that the subjects debated in Daheshville would be formal,unaffected by personal feelings,and aiming to post guidance for the public.

[Mario]

Dear readers,

reading the quotes in this thread provokes a well aware and objective person to create a prejudgemental idea about the personals who are debating or debated about.I would humbly ask all brothers and sisters to fight this urge and try to analyse the posted argument objectively.

Dear Mario,
Reading your posts is always as interesting as frightening.
The issue brought up about Tchaikovsky being gay didn't stop him from composing great music is not used in the correct order for every Daheshist knows that the human spiritual fluids constituting his being contain both degraded and elevated characteristics.The fact that Tchaikovsky was a gifted composer has no relation to his sexual behavior.What was written doesn't imply that you mean so Dear Mario,but it seems that it is used as an argument to show that you are right and win the debate.

After reading the epistles,The reader categorizes the documents as letters of guidance adressed from the writer to the reader based on personal knowledge and beliefs,Thus putting the seeker in the same level with themselves.This is noble and formal.

But after the debate in public forums is won by stepping over respectful\nonrespectful personals,i believe we all lose.I would humbly recommend that the subjects debated in Daheshville would be formal,unaffected by personal feelings,and aiming to post guidance for the public.

Dear Samer,

Thank you for your opinion and thank you for the lesson on the complexities and interactions of Spiritual Fluids.

But that's not what I was saying.

I was showing Ghazi and the world that when I spoke about Homosexuality on Daheshville (please go find and read my posts) I was (practically speaking) expressing the same sentiment that is written in the passages I quoted above and with WHICH I AGREE.

In other words, I did not post the words you see because I want to make fun of the author.

On the contrary. I AGREE WITH THE AUTHOR.

But that author claims to be a messiah. That author tried to destroy me in order to destroy Daheshville.

Ghazi Brax is collaborating with this individual. As far as I know, he is giving him and only him, his writings.

Should I tell you and the world the comments I heard from the Doctor's mouth pertaining to that individual's usage of the Arabic language?

Yes? Should I be forced to scream from the top of my lungs that we are supposed to be a collaborative mission?

Should I reveal what Ghazi said regarding "this generation of Daheshists"?

If you can only see the real issue...

The Doctor wrote in Kalimaat that it is our duty to fight the Tyrant until he falls. Then, after he falls, to let him be.

Sometimes, the truth is ugly.

If I didn't have "A heart made of Honey" as brother Ali told me through the mouth of Doctor Dahesh, I would have told a lot more.

In fact, it would have really been ugly.

Let's put it this way: I am either 100% or 100% wrong.

God have mercy on my soul if I am wrong.

But judging by the Dreams I keep seeing, in which the Doctor tells me to "Do more!" I am willing to take that risk.

Take care and thank you for posting.

Mario

[Johnson]

My first thought when I read your post Samer was “What exactly did you think the argument or point was exactly that Mario was making?” I do not mean this sarcastically, I truly ask for that clarification.

Sometimes these postings may be hard to follow for some, since it has been a deliberate decision by the Daheshville Committee to withhold many of the specific names of the people that are being referred to in these posts…. That is however, only FOR NOW. I am sure however, that the individual or individuals that are being quoted and talked about, know in fact who they are and are aware of these postings. As it always has been, the policy here in Daheshville is that any and all are welcome to openly, freely and without pre-reading-and-potential- editing-before-you-can-post-it moderating occurring.

And what is exactly the point of all this particular discussion anyway? I think it is important to clarify what the point of this is as much as it is important to understand what Mario’s argument was in the first place.

I think Mario’s last post explained why he was posting this information and what his argument was. It is important for all to understand what is being said and what the argument truly is that is being made. Samer, (or anyone else) if any of this is still not clear, please ask and we will further clarify what the argument is as best we can.

As to the point of the argument... No one here in Daheshville has gone out of their way due to their own arrogance, deep seeded jealousy or other darker unknown motives and gone on a personal attack of anyone within this community or any other community.

Sadly, I cannot say the same for all Daheshists. Mario’s point illuminates that while he was making the very same comments here on Daheshville that certain other people had written in a manuscript, those very same people that had written the manuscript were criticizing Mario for what he was saying... even though Mario was saying the very same thing~! No only that, this individual went even further by saying that:

“…by posting on Daheshville they will have their spiritual fluids degenerate…”

Think about that for a moment...

The point of Mario posting the quotes from the manuscript demonstrates 1) the initial attacks, by this individual, criticizing what Mario was saying were totally unfounded (based on the author of the manuscript's OWN WORDS no less~!) and 2) commenting that Daheshville is a "bad place" because of this, and 3) having the absolute AUDACITY to imply that this individual knows what would happen to one’s fluids should they post on Daheshville.

Doesn’t this sort of inappropriate behavior bother anyone else???

The hope by illuminating these inappropriate actions is to bring these people to task for these statements which have gone on record. I say...These are the very kind of inappropriate, ill intended words and actions that are at the very root of why there is no overall unity within the Daheshist community~!

And why is this? Why are comments like this made? “…Daheshville is a bad place…”??? and "... their spiritual fluids will degenerate…”??? Come on …are you serious? Yes, sadly for this individual, I think they really are serious. Does someone lash out like this because of jealousy? Yes, I think that would certainly be one possibility. Does someone lash out like this because of ego that the world is not turning only around he who feels only he should be obeyed? Yes, that could be another possibility... I really don't know...

In closing:

The Doctor was very specific when he said in a prayer "..anyone who says anything bad about any brother or sister that leads to the breaking up of Daheshism shall be banned forever!"

[Johnson]

No one, and I mean NO ONE takes any pleasure with having to deal will issues such as these.

[samer el haddad]

Dear brothers,

After your reflection on my miscomprehension of the thread, I read it again and i realized the following:

-First, concerning the reply posted, i meant to discuss what is important, that is the understanding of the Daheshist view towards sexual behaviour.

-Second, in the light of the first,i urged readers to concentrate on the objective, which is posting information reflecting Daheshists' beliefs.

After i extracted the argument used to prove to the world that someone is right or wrong, i found that it would be more educative for me to discuss the main topic. And still i say that a homosexual person is diverse as any. Besides his sexual taste, he has normal aspects as any human being pertaining his professional behaviour or vocation in life such as music or visual arts or philosophy...etc. So if this individual excelled in any domain does not mean that his sexual orientations are justified. This if we want to point them out and categorize. But do we really want to? Here i agree with you Dear Mario that we shouldn't fall in the bad habit of labelling people. Here comes the role of spiritual messages to set the record straight and give believers guide lines in a general manner applicable to all creatures without pinpointing individuals. Spreading the message is the role of disciples, so in public the main concern will be to transfer the blessed information acquired from The Prophets.

Sincerely i say that in Dr Brax epistles, i found the information organized to reach the reader with a basic view of the topics discussed such as several threads that I found here on Daheshville. But in the thread we are herein, i found a comparison between the letter from the archives and your personal opinion dear Mario. You seem to agree with what was written. Both writers are trying to state an opinion, yet in the epistle, a simple straight forward truth is shared. You say we shouldn't follow the epistles literally, then let us put our effort to share the explanation given to you from your vast experience in Daheshisme concerning these topics and elaborate. I think this will be more educative for us seekers. We value your information and pray we share it in the same way that was given By THE BELOVED GUIDING PROPHET.

I don't want to believe that this website should be used to expose behind the doors conflicts, shunning between brothers, or disagreements. What kind of perception of value we want people to feel while reading on daheshville? I believe these disagreements are human but we all agree on righteousness of The Daheshist Message. And this is above all.

[Johnson]

I think we are all in agreement about the statements that a homosexual has all the characteristic disbursements of fluids for talents and personality traits as anyone else. And frankly, the sub-point of the original post was just that... we ARE in agreement.

I don't want to believe that this website should be used to expose behind the doors conflicts, shunning between brothers, or disagreements. What kind of perception of value we want people to feel while reading on daheshville? I believe these disagreements are human but we all agree on righteousness of The Daheshist Message. And this is above all.

I hear and respect your opinion on this matter, Samer. And part of the beauty of Daheshville is that we are both allowed to state and support with our own reasons why we feel the way we do. Every discussion here in Daheshville is let to run openly, with no pre- or post- editing. I can understand that "conflicts" are not always pretty to watch. However, even within these conflicts, there is decorum here. Everyone is allowed to take a side and share a view without editing or reprisal.

Over that past year and a half, people have come here hurting, or in loss and have asked certain members to make a prayer for them. People have shared their conflicts publicly and at times, by the nature of their own choice, shared them privately. Yes, first and foremost we ARE here to talk about Dr. Dahesh and the teachings of Daheshism... and this puts us Samer, 95% in total agreement with one another. I don't think in anything I have ever read here that anyone is in disagreement about the "righteousness of the Daheshist message" (to use your phrase). Ask any Daheshist here... and frankly, ask any of the LDS member here too, as there has been a warm ensconcing of them too within our Daheshist community.

I think as one goes through the information here on Daheshville, I don't think anyone will confuse what this place is about other than being about Dr. Dahesh.

However, and this is my belief, two other things are very important too:

1) Within Dr. Dahesh's teachings, when someone in a position of power (and by power, this is relative; it could be a politician, it could a boss at work, it could be a parent or a brother or a sibling...) and in this position of relative power, this individual abuses this power because he or she can... Dr. Dahesh says to "fight the tyrant, until he falls"... which in Daheshville, we do with our words.

Secondly 2) Daheshist teachings, as with any other noble or inspired teachings that one feels compelled to follow... are not just teachings of words per se... they are words and ideas that are molded in to form or model a working structure within which we live our lives... the teachings of Dr. Dahesh are ALIVE and through our understanding and intellect, applicable to the conditions and situations of our lives. We are applying Daheshist principles to the issues we are dealing with here.

Finally, and I pray you have a life that doesn't have such sorrow... Part of the purpose of this place is to also give a voice to the someone that has been made to feel so small that their life and feelings and very existences don't matter and they seemingly have no power in the world and no one cares if they live or die. Sadly, many people have been touched by such tragic feelings and actions of others. I pray that the need for a fair and open voice in your court, or just an audience to listen without judgement or prejudice for an issue you may be having; whether with another brother or someone else, is not needed by myself or anyone that I care about; but the reality of people is that invariable and inevitably each of us will need such a voice at some point in our lives.

I think the perception that is conveyed here in Daheshville is that this is a REAL community of REAL people, much like a REAL family with REAL issues to work out, resolve, and come to terms with... openly and fairly.

[samer el haddad]

"Finally, and I pray you have a life that doesn't have such sorrow"

Dear brother Johnson,

Thank you for your wishes and intensions. I would like to share with all brothers my compassion with your problems. Considering that a believer is furthermost hurt by allegations concerning his beliefs and actions toward, I would like to say that all is the work of man and man is not perfect.

I would be displeased to know that any brother would try to hurt another.

In my posts Dear Johnson, I try to keep out of the conflict, for the readers do not qualify as judges in these delicate matters with all respect to your opinion. This is why we all know"Don't judge so you won't be judged". Maybe tranquility is touched in reading posts in agreement and rage in reading others in disagreement. So all is relative but one truth comes by the judgment of GOD.

I hope I didn't misunderstand the following:

"1) Within Dr. Dahesh's teachings, when someone in a position of power (and by power, this is relative; it could be a politician, it could a boss at work, it could be a parent or a brother or a sibling...) and in this position of relative power, this individual abuses this power because he or she can... Dr. Dahesh says to "fight the tyrant, until he falls"... which in Daheshville, we do with our words."

Do you believe that the brothers you dedicate these words to are tyrants?

Do you believe all the people who are supportive to their works are tyrants?

Dear brothers,

I have heard lots of voices including Brother Hussein voice trying to calm the sea.
Where do these voices come from? A different opinion or respect to all brothers equally perhaps? Maybe they refuse to bring these conflicts to be discussed publicly.

Dear Johnson you posted "Over that past year and a half, people have come here hurting, or in loss and have asked certain members to make a prayer for them. People have shared their conflicts publicly and at times, by the nature of their own choice, shared them privately." This is healthy and holly. But this is not the case here. Here you are fighting a tyrant which seems shocking to me.

Dear Mario,

You have earned equally our respect and love as brother and guide.
Your efforts are recognized and I'm not qualified to say anymore.
My deepest regret for the harsh feelings you have to face daily and hope all fade to tranquility and peace.