Genesis

[Mario]

I had already posted this information in two parts, in another thread and as a reply to "Erwin." I thought it woud be good to consolidate them into one new thread.

Basically, this is the Daheshist version of Genesis.

How did we obtain it and is it reliable?

Years ago (circa 1992), my oldest brother sent me a few photocopied pages in Arabic. He is one of the few people I trust NOT to alter the facts. So, I guarantee its veridity. However, please note that this version you are about to read is a mixture of translation and paraphrasing...

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"And each level had a leader and you'll need to expand on each of the 150 levels. "
"And GOD distributed his Angels within these happy level and he assigned each team of angels a particular level that HE had chosen for it."

(Now, I will paraphrase):

The "angels" had strict orders not to go beyond (or higher) than "Level 150" and learn what is there.

"Woe to anyone who crosses that level before they complete their time given to them" (Okay, so, for whatever reason, the "angels" were supposed to wait for permission or until their "complete their required 'credits'" (to use school analogy) before they "ascend" and "check out" level 150. Note: in SCUBA diving, we have similar rules... If we dive at a particular depth and we stay beyond a certain limit, we cannot simply ascend to the surface. We must do what is known as "decompression stops" to allow the excess nitrogen diluted in our bodies (and which cannot be absorbed) to dissipate slowly. Otherwise, and just as when we open a can of soda and expose the carbonated liquid to a fast drop in atmospheric pressure, our blood will "bubble" and that could either lead to paralysis or death. So, WHO knows why these "angels" were not supposed to visit level 150...

The document goes on to say that the predetermined time for each level differs from others.

In the first level (for example, and using our "earthly" conception of time) the limit is 1000 years. The one after it, 2000... and so on.

In other words, the higher you go, the longer you need to stay in order to "merit" going to the next level.

Then the document goes into describing some specifics in terms of the hierarchy... One angel as the leader assisted by 20 entities known in arabic as "Karoobeem" (we learn about their qualifications) and each of the 20 has 100 "saints" and each saint has 1000 members of a choir (and the document describes what they do)

The document then mentions that due to amount of happiness these entities felt, they did not feel the sensation of time...
The document also says that the "truths" are unveiled to them and the secrets of ages is like an open book before them. Love and tenderness fill their wings.
(then we see a description of some of what they experienced.

The first choir singer from level 150 (so, we're talking "way up there") was greedy for power.

He wanted to be the leader. He coveted the position of "Leader of the Angels." In fact, he wanted to replace the acting "Leader of the Angels..."

However, the leader of the Angels in level 150 was beloved by all the angels regardless of their rank (and their assistants, all the way down to the Choir singers.

Unfortunately, The leader of the Angels had a general meeting and he proposed to them that they should try to reach level 150, so that they can see the greatness of the creator."

(The document then describes the back and forth leading up to everyone feeling great about going beyond level 150, leading up to their being "intercepted" and ordered back down... WAY down, until they can overcome their desires. And the document says that whoever is able to overcome their desires will regain access to their prior (I paraphrase) state of bliss.

However, the TEN ANGEL LEADERS whose duty was to be patient and not hurry to gain infinite knowledge, they were ordered to stay with their Leader (the architect of the idea and it's promoter).

As for the FIRST CHOIR SINGER (remember him?) he was forced to be (or, perhaps to "materialize as") always the "First choir singer" alongside the Leader and (now pay attention to this!) that in EACH incarnation he is to have the SAME DESIRE to replace the Leader (whenever, wherever, the two of them materialize) ... WHY? Well, as his TEST. In other words, EVERY time he is to reappear with the Leader, he would feel the NATURAL URGE to replace him...

BUT...

His job is to OVERCOME that urge.

According to the document: unless he is able to do so.... (let's put it this way, he is going to really suffer the consequences...

what happens next is pretty much consistent with what he have in the old testament, with the following added bit of information:

GOD speaks and says to Adam

Oh my first "Heavenly/Earthly" creation (we actual read "Ya Makhlooky Al Samaawee Al Ardy Al Alwwal" you have fallen for the second time, you were not able to (and here I will paraphrase) follow your duty and that which you were supposed to do. When you were in Heaven, in level 150 you tried to sneak a peak at what was behind that beautiful (?) sky where you were living, and your punishment was that you fell down to the material world of Earth.

You were given an opportunity to get back to that world of eternal beauty. That is why I asked of you not to "eat from the tree of knowledge" and all you had to do was spend 2000 years in the World of Earth so that you would be permitted to taste that fruit and ascend/elevate yourself, thanks to it—or via that fruit—to the world that is above your world. And there, you would be given another chance to to rise from a pure world, to one that is even purer in the first heavenly test.

That is why you should know that I ordered EARTH to grow its thorns... (here, we learn that the "free ride" is over...) and that I've limited the amount of years you can live on Earth (or set a limit to your Earthly Age) beyond which you cannot cross (so, now, Adam will die of old age)... and my will is such that you gain what you eat from working and exhaustion."

Then... GOD addresses Eve

"My mercy wills it that I look with kindness to ALL THOSE WHO LANDED TO EARTH AND HAVE MIXED WITH FIRST MAN and FIRST WOMAN. That is why I have allowed procreation, so that (each of?) these "teams"/"groups"/"clusters" who (also) wanted to visit the forbidden areas/zones/countries to separate/disengage from Adam and Eve so that THROUGH ITS ACTIONS and BY DIRECTING ITSELF TO THE HIGHER EXAMPLES it would rise/elevate towards the heavens it was banished from, each by itself and by its own effort."

Then, GOD addresses the "Singer"

"As for you, Oh first Singer, cursed are you, banned by everyone, and loathed by the nations that will arrive in the coming centuries. And know this (I can't translate the adjectives... "Ya Saaheb Al Daseesat, wa sayed alwakee3at) that you will (and I paraphrase) have a "fantastic bit of business" with my First Creation unless you straighten out and do good deeds. Then, your name will be cursed for centuries, century by century..."

OK, now, here is the interesting thing about this (eight page) document I have, and again, this came to me in the early 1990's from my brother.

In the epilogue, we read

"And so you see my father Peter that it is you who builds yourself by yourself and that I don't have anything to do with that as I have told before. And so that I add a clarification, I tell you:

When Adam "connected" with his wife after she broke the will, he was blessed with Cain and Abel.

It is Cain who is talking to you now... And my roots are the first "Karoobeem". As for Abel, he is you.

And in the beginning, you were the leader of the Angels in the level 150 and I am the first one who agreed to your wish to go and discover what was beyond level 150.

That is why Cain (or I) killed Abel (you). It was by revenge because it was his (Abel's) idea and he was the reason he (Cain) fell (as well).

As for rest of the children of Adam, they were from different levels and all who joined us in this desire...

OK... I am not sure who is speaking to "Father Peter." I can take a guess, but since I don't know for sure, I'll refrain from doing so...

[Sonic]

In Religion the reason why Cain killed Abel was because God accepted the work from one not the other and that made him jealous and pushed him to kill him.

[Mario]

I don't think the document denies or contradicts the Old Testament by not mentioning that aspect of the story.

Since the Old Testament does not tell us about Cain and Abel's relationship prior to them being born through Adam and Eve (because perhaps those who passed on the stories and recorded them simply had no knowledge or abitly to comprehend reincarnation) it therefore focuses on the "visible" motive that lead to the tragedy.

Jealousy may have been the trigger or catalyst that pushed Cain over the edge. But unless we know the complete "history," we tend to look at the obvious... I am not saying that Cain was justified in his crime, of course not! Also, note that God himself asked that no one touch or harm him...

Bottom line, I think that if Cain was able to overcome his feelings despite what had happened "up there" he would have benefited greatly...

[Johnson]

Aside from trying to understand the accuracies here, there is also very much a metaphor of what this conflict of Cain and Abel represents; and this is at the very core of of our human existence; this is the battle of our own inner beings... of the base fluids within us that want to pull us down spiritually battling the higher fluids that want to pull us up spiritually.

This exists within us at very obvious levels; someone just tried to cut me off in traffic and it makes me angry. Do I pull up along side him and 'express' my discontent? or do I just smile and wave him/her to go in front of me?

This exists on the not so obvious levels; Someone achieves an accomplishment that secretly I covet; do I shun and criticize this individual's achievement because of my own hubris or jealousy or alterior motives? or do I rejoice in this person's accomplishment and encourage openly their achievement? And on and on...

There are endless stories of brother turned against brother, just there are of trees split in half because of their inner turmoils of these two opposing spiritual fluids.

[Sandrine]

Aside from trying to understand the accuracies here, there is also very much a metaphor of what this conflict of Cain and Abel represents; and this is at the very core of of our human existence; this is the battle of our own inner beings... of the base fluids within us that want to pull us down spiritually battling the higher fluids that want to pull us up spiritually.

Yes ... in fact, our fears and lowest fluids are as many seeds of anger and self-destruction within us and we need to learn not to water those seeds and instead ... nourish our positive and intrinsic qualities which will elevate our fluids and bring more happiness, compassion, understanding and loving kindness into our lives.

It’s hard at the beginning because our human nature is more inclined to do what’s easy ... which does not necessarily mean what's good !

Trying to become better human beings, acting towards The Good and bright side of our lives, or thinking positively are not specially natural inclinations ...

Our fluids need to be trained, controlled and educated all that in absolute humility and within God's favour ... and the more we practice, the more we become aware and the more it will be natural ...

When we let grow good seeds, good fluids within us ... we become less and less tested... until we overcome – little by little, of course - those bad tendencies we all carry, our low fluids that are part of our spiritual inheritance due to our previous lives, deeds, thoughts ...

[Loup Solitaire]

someone just tried to cut me off in traffic and it makes me angry. Do I pull up along side him and 'express' my discontent? or do I just smile and wave him/her to go in front of me?

I am only restating what Sandrine has stated so eloquently to add some additional perspective. When someone acts aggressively towards us we have two choices, act in a disciplined manner or act instinctively. We and all of God's creature are born with instincts so that we would protect ourselves from harm. If someone intends to harm us our best response might be to counter attack before serious damage is done. The problem with that is in today's world there are too many thoughtless (brainless/me first) people who do not fully consider the consequences of their actions. So we must use discipline to evaluate the consequences for them. Because we are greater persons, we are our brothers keeper. No you don't smile and wave.

[Johnson]

The problem with that is in today's world there are too many thoughtless (brainless/me first) people who do not fully consider the consequences of their actions. So we must use discipline to evaluate the consequences for them.

Beatifully said as usual Sandrine...Ron you are spot on. And being kind is not being weak. Benevolence comes from a position of strength.