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    A thought Dr. Dahesh voiced in Buroog Wa Ru'ood. It is hopeful and also a very stern warning.

    "Man is free and this freedom leads him towards good or evil deeds, which in turn, determine his destiny....and it is through their free will that the ghost of total destruction can be kept away. If they extract from within their souls the evil inclinations and adversarial desires; make concessions on their greedy ambitions; marginalize their arrogance; close the doors to weapon factories and discharge the soldiers and officers; make the scientists abandon their research on weapons of mass destruction; unite all countries of the world into one country; unite all people as brothers under one faith, where love and peace replace hatred and quarrel. If humanity through their free will executes all these things, they will change the course of their dark history and alleviate the horrific fate that is rapidly approaching."
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    Originally posted by zionic View Post
    A thought Dr. Dahesh voiced in Buroog Wa Ru'ood. It is hopeful and also a very stern warning.

    "Man is free and this freedom leads him towards good or evil deeds, which in turn, determine his destiny....and it is through their free will that the ghost of total destruction can be kept away. If they extract from within their souls the evil inclinations and adversarial desires; make concessions on their greedy ambitions; marginalize their arrogance; close the doors to weapon factories and discharge the soldiers and officers; make the scientists abandon their research on weapons of mass destruction; unite all countries of the world into one country; unite all people as brothers under one faith, where love and peace replace hatred and quarrel. If humanity through their free will executes all these things, they will change the course of their dark history and alleviate the horrific fate that is rapidly approaching."
    That pretty much sums it all up, doesn't it? Yes, we (society) absolutely do have the power (via free will) to change the course of all things. The question is, how realistic is it that we actually will? In the realm of our community building (and doing ALL that we can do, to help ourselves and humanity) do we write letters? do we post messages? and to whom? Is this information anything that the peoples of the world really don't already know? do they even care? how do we soldier on with this?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Johnson View Post
      That pretty much sums it all up, doesn't it? Yes, we (society) absolutely do have the power (via free will) to change the course of all things. The question is, how realistic is it that we actually will? In the realm of our community building (and doing ALL that we can do, to help ourselves and humanity) do we write letters? do we post messages? and to whom? Is this information anything that the peoples of the world really don't already know? do they even care? how do we soldier on with this?
      I don't really know the answers to your questions.

      I wish it were as simple as posting letters.

      Daily I see evidence that many people simply do not care. I see it at work. I see it in print. I see it on the news. Perhaps they do not care because they have lost hope. In that case, what is it that will inspire hope?

      But I also see evidence that people do care and that they occasionally will move together to effect change...if only for a little while. Who can forget the events of 1989? Good God, what an exciting year.

      Who can forget how quickly Apartheid ended in South Africa? Or how Bulgarians filled the streets of Sophia to prevent the SS from transporting Bulgarian Jews to the death camps? What is it that moves multitudes to expose themselves to the possibility of great sacrifice in the course of reversing injustices or bringing forward a revolutionary cause?
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      • #4
        Originally posted by zionic View Post
        I don't really know the answers to your questions.

        I wish it were as simple as posting letters.

        Daily I see evidence that many people simply do not care. I see it at work. I see it in print. I see it on the news. Perhaps they do not care because they have lost hope. In that case, what is it that will inspire hope?

        But I also see evidence that people do care and that they occasionally will move together to effect change...if only for a little while. Who can forget the events of 1989? Good God, what an exciting year.

        Who can forget how quickly Apartheid ended in South Africa? Or how Bulgarians filled the streets of Sophia to prevent the SS from transporting Bulgarian Jews to the death camps? What is it that moves multitudes to expose themselves to the possibility of great sacrifice in the course of reversing injustices or bringing forward a revolutionary cause?
        All of the world's prophets, including Ghandi, who Dr. Dahesh referred to as "the prophet of the 20th century" have shown us the incredible power and the force, of one.

        Ghandi said, You must be the change you wish to see in the world.

        The realistic power of the force of a growing belief and desire for change, against all or incredible odds, is historically astounding. Yes, I agree that there is much apathy in the world, and that the world as a whole seemingly may not care... and Zionic, you touched on the key question: what brings about change through one person to another, community by community and ultimately nation by nation... what would inspire people to take a risk and make a change?

        There certainly has to be the desire... there has to be a message or belief that speaks to the very hearts and souls of people... there has to be hope and there has to be the deserving force of the peoples to move to call for a change. I think people when given the opportunity need to feel that there is actually hope for them, and that with their efforts, and their deeds, however small, they can in fact effect the beginnings of change...

        The human question is, will people expend the energy? Do people want badly enough what it is they are desire? Do they have the internal strength and fortitude... while there is still time to effect change?
        Last edited by Johnson; 01-11-2008, 05:22 PM.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by zionic View Post
          I wish it were as simple as posting letters.
          The Spirit is telling me "DO IT!" Perhaps it really is that simple.

          Dr. Dahesh's message won't do the world any good if we keep it to ourselves.

          2 Nephi 2:27
          Last edited by WingedPaladin; 01-17-2008, 07:05 PM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by WingedPaladin View Post
            The Spirit is telling me "DO IT!" Perhaps it really is that simple.

            Dr. Dahesh's message won't do the world any good if we keep it to ourselves.

            2 Nephi 2:27
            I need to say something and it may be non sequitur.

            Let's face it... the problem with wanting to become part of the decision-making process of any true spiritual movement that is trying to take root is having to deal with the barrage of egos of those who might feel are more entitled than others.

            Soon enough, "Bummer of a Birthmark..." will take on a whole new meaning.

            No, I assure all our "viewers," that I am not referring to myself.

            I thought I had it bad.

            Imagine flipping through a book and seeing your name being used as a reason why friendship does not exist.

            Did I mention the non sequitur aspect of this reply?

            I recently saw something printed in a book that made it clear to me there is no hope within the prevailing "ruling class" of Daheshists.

            By "ruling class," I mean those who are far older than Sandrine and I (so far the only two witnesses on Daheshville—meaning, who have seen, heard, and spoken with Doctor Dahesh AND have seen miracles) and have seen a whole lot more than either of us, in terms of Miracles, words, and experiences.

            And you know, up until recently, I even had faith in my own brothers.

            Now that I have seen what they recently allowed to be published... I am officially throwing in the towel.

            Sandrine is neat. She does not throw towels. That's the French for you.

            I'll tell what though: Daheshville is the only place where people naturally formed a governing body. Pressures? Yes. But no pressure. Diplomacy? Yes. But no politics...

            OK, so we're only Five... for now...

            It's good enough to conduct a fair vote.

            And here is what we voted upon recently:
            We are going to address some of the concerns brought to light by the actions of certain individuals whose actions are, quite literally, destroying the image of Doctor Dahesh.

            As for Sandrine and I (who founded this humble home and have "relished" —well, not really— every drop of hateful, vindictive, mean, spiteful sentiment directed towards us by those who we once looked up to) have the following wish: That those Americans take over this project and make of it what SOME of Doctor Dahesh's own people... those "elite"... "the stars" (starting with those who publicly claimed he was never a prophet to those who would not have DARED publish that "The Spirit Chose THEM..." when he was still alive...) couldn't accomplish!

            In fact, just look at who is really managing the Dahesh Museum. Americans.

            Except that, those Americans have no clue how much they are STILL trampling on all the hard work of Doctor Dahesh!

            So, my fellow Americans: "please send in the Cavalry!"

            This is one "battle" that is honorable.

            And by the way: Dear owners of the Dahesh Museum, if I had $12,800 to burn, I would certainly not spend it on any "Carafe" you're selling. How about you let us buy the BOOKS!?

            OK, I'm done... Hope this was entertaining...
            "Fail, to succeed."

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            • #7
              My Definition of "TRUE LOVE"

              Originally posted by zionic View Post
              A thought Dr. Dahesh voiced in Buroog Wa Ru'ood. It is hopeful and also a very stern warning.

              " Man is free and this freedom leads him towards good or evil deeds, which in turn, determine his destiny....and it is through their free will that the ghost of total destruction can be kept away. If they extract from within their souls the evil inclinations and adversarial desires; make concessions on their greedy ambitions; marginalize their arrogance; close the doors to weapon factories and discharge the soldiers and officers; make the scientists abandon their research on weapons of mass destruction; unite all countries of the world into one country; unite all people as brothers under one faith, where love and peace replace hatred and quarrel. If humanity through their free will executes all these things, they will change the course of their dark history and alleviate the horrific fate that is rapidly approaching."
              When I would tell Doctor Dahesh "it is sad that so and so are not speaking with each other" he would say "Even the entrails argue."

              I know I have made my opinions clear about THE ACTIONS of those I thought Loved me.

              And, maybe I am totally wrong and they are totally right.

              But fighting and arguing is not necessarily synonymous with hatred and contempt.

              Whereas, a person can fake a smile and claim they love me, but is that "true love?"

              Doctor Dahesh, in his Symbol wrote:

              "There has to be true LOVE, LOYALTY, and DEVOTION between the brothers"

              TRUE love... Not faked or forced... TRUE LOVE.

              What good is it for X to suddenly find a friend in Y simply to hurt Z?
              That is known as POLITICS. And dirty Politics at that...

              Allow me to give my definition of "TRUE LOVE."

              When, despite our differences with any person, we do not diminish his or her accomplishments, THAT is TRUE love.

              When and despite all the hurtful and defamatory things a person has written or said about us behind ours backs, we gladly and willingly maintain (for example) a web link to their web site, and clearly promote it in a positive manner, despite what we might have commented about their ACTIONS in the heat of the moment—because, after all, we are human— THAT is TRUE love.

              Anything else is, at best, LIP SERVICE!
              "Fail, to succeed."

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              • #8
                non sequitur

                Originally posted by Mario View Post
                I need to say something and it may be non sequitur.
                I read your post and was wondering what it had to do with what I posted, whether your comments were directed at me or not, etc... So I thought I'd better look up "non sequitur".

                1. A reply that has no relevance to what preceded it
                2. (logic) a conclusion that does not follow from the premises

                Ok, now it makes sense...somewhat. There is much background information I am sure I am not aware of. As far as throwing towels, I suggest you should keep it. It is the most important article necessary for hitchhiking the universe.

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                • #9
                  The Polar Shift

                  I've come to thinking that when the Earth "shall reel to and fro as a drunken man" on what some have determined to be December 21, 2012, that if America and other nations have not stopped being hypocritical about having weapons of mass destruction and do not disarm and destroy these weapons soon, that many of these weapons will detonate thus causing the disintegration of the Earth.

                  If it is the general consciousness of humankind that must change, then the message of Dr. Dahesh must be a part of the general consciousness of humankind in order to affect that change.

                  One Nation, One Religion

                  Which Nation? The Nation of the Earth
                  Which Religion? The Religion of God, selfless love, and service.

                  There needs to be movers and shakers and leaders inspired by God for such a change to take place. Time is very limited so such a change needs to be dramatic. Humankind cannot do it alone, thus The Hosts of Heaven are needed for such a change. There is much healing that must take place in the hearts of men and women. Much forgiveness is needed; much letting go and letting God; much awareness...

                  It is my prayer we as a race survive this and may enjoy the Great Peace.
                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxOH_30VOo0
                  Last edited by WingedPaladin; 01-19-2008, 07:25 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by WingedPaladin View Post
                    One Nation, One Religion

                    Which Nation? The Nation of the Earth
                    Which Religion? The Religion of God, selfless love, and service.

                    There needs to be movers and shakers and leaders inspired by God for such a change to take place. Time is very limited so such a change needs to be dramatic. Humankind cannot do it alone, thus The Hosts of Heaven are needed for such a change. There is much healing that must take place in the hearts of men and women. Much forgiveness is needed; much letting go and letting God; much awareness...
                    Yes indeed... possible? Absolutely... probable? hmmm... well, I have to live with the faith and hope and prayer that the human race can get their act together... but, likely? I guess from what I have witnessed in my little life, I think we are all in trouble.

                    But the miracle of inspiration is possible... but with what seems to be continually dissolving in the world today, this inspiration seems to loom ever further on the horizon for some.

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                    • #11
                      Soon, and God-willing, we shall reveal a story written by Doctor Dahesh in 1979.

                      We're in the process of translating it faithfully so that nothing is left out. No interpretation here...

                      That story — should we choose to believe it — describes what is going to happen to humanity.

                      It does not say when exactly this is going to happen, but it certainly gives 2 clear and related outcomes that are (quite literally) "out of this world."

                      We feel this story is so important that we've put everything on hold until we bring it to you. So, God willing, perhaps in a few days...

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                      • #12
                        Paradigm Shift

                        How much we learn...
                        Last edited by WingedPaladin; 01-28-2009, 04:25 AM.

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                        • #13
                          As a rule a thumb...

                          ... and as far as the Daheshist belief system is concerned, no one can channel Jesus or any other prophet except another prophet.

                          And, since we (Daheshists) do not believe there are any other prophets beyond Doctor Dahesh (as far as this blessed life cycle is concerned) then, our unequivocal reply is this: This is a deception.

                          However, the fact that (to us) this is a deception does not preclude the validity of some, part of, most of, or even all of what is being said by the person claiming to be channelling Jesus et al ...

                          In other words, even a broken clock will be right twice a day, and once a year (if it displays the date as well as the time)

                          All that being said, can you give us a summary of that charlatan is claiming that might in fact be inspired, genius, mere revisionism or all of the above?

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                          • #14
                            Wayne Dyer talks about how we are 'connected to source'. Think of God and the Universe as a system... we are all a part of this system and we are all connected to this system.

                            We are like a drop of water relative to the ocean. The drop of water is connected to the ocean, is part of the ocean and even has all the properties of being water that the ocean has. But is this drop of water THE ocean? ... is it even AN ocean? Laughably, no, it is not. The drop does not even know itself as the ocean does across its depths and widths...

                            So it is with us... while we are in fact connected to the BIG PICTURE... none of us, in any way shape or form... IS the big picture... and certainly none of us KNOWS the big picture.
                            Last edited by Johnson; 05-20-2008, 08:50 AM.

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                            • #15
                              Strange. Anyone might be jesus or related to him except jesus himself. Anyone can give an explanation?

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