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    Arctic ice "Could melt by 2013"

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    Team Battles Arctic Winter to Measure Melting Ice Caps



    (CNN)
    -- It could be the ultimate test of human endurance: Three British explorers are risking their lives in subzero temperatures to measure the melting Arctic ice cap.The team is on a three-month, 621-mile (1,000-kilometer) hike to their final destination at the North Pole. Along the way, taking precise measurements to determine exactly how fast the ice cap is disappearing. (More on this story at CNN)

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      When I was young, up until the 1960's, I remember in Maryland, That winter meant snow suitable for sledding at least two or three times a years. And there would be ice on ponds, lakes, and rivers thick enough for ice skating. In fact, in either the late sixties or 1970 or 1971, I the ice on the Chesapeake Bay was so thick that Waterman were driving trucks out onto the ice. The Coast Guard sent an ice breaker into the bay to open the shipping channel.

      At the same time, I recall my father telling of a time back in the 1920's and 1930's when nothing but freezing rain occurred in the winter. From the stories he told, it seemed as though they had a period when the winters were much milder.

      Studies had been done that have revealed various weather cycles that occur. I do not doubt that mankind is having an impact on the environment. But man along is not responsible for the extremes we are witnessing. Speaking of man's impact on the environment did anyone see this one:

      http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,487967,00.html

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        Originally posted by ronschaum View Post
        Studies had been done that have revealed various weather cycles that occur. I do not doubt that mankind is having an impact on the environment. But man along is not responsible for the extremes we are witnessing. Speaking of man's impact on the environment did anyone see this one:

        http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,487967,00.html
        That's for sure. In some case, volcanic eruptions played a major part in cooling certain parts of the planet by blanketing the sun's rays. And, there is that big rock that rammed Earth and (they say) wiped out the Dinosaurs due to how radically it caused the climate to change.

        But, and this is an honest question (not a rhetorical one) has there ever been an instance — throughout the Earth's history — where the summer ice caps have totally melted? (As they predict would be the case soon...)

        I suppose, the rhetorical question is all of this would be... might this (possibly) reversible?

        We certainly can't tell the Chinese or the people in India not to purchase those affordable cars they are producing... Well, we can always tell them what to do and they will certainly tell us where to go...

        And just think... the Parisians will be even crankier now that this region of the world will be ice cold in winter and red hot in summer...
        "Fail, to succeed."

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        • #5
          There is no doubt that cars produce gases like carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide, etc. Even huge concentrations of farm animals cause problems with emissions, runoff, defoliation, and more.

          But what is happening in the arctic, in my opinion goes beyond all of our influence. See this article: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11642

          And this one: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...s-warming.html

          Clearly there is something larger going on.

          In no way am I saying that we don't need to be aware of the impact we are having on our environment. Every margin of safety is important. We may need to take extreme steps, unconventional measures to cause earth to reflect heat. At the moment I can't locate an article I was looking for, but I recall someone did have a radical idea for cooling the earth. If I can locate it, I'll post the link.

          In the meantime, take a look at this: http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_i...1643636C112615

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          • #6
            Thank you Ron. These are very good finds.

            The first two articles, then, point at the existence of some unknown factor that is even causing (it would appear) "global warming" on other planets in our solar system. And, that factor does not appear to be a rise in solar activity — as one theory stipulated.

            That's spooky! It almost suggests some sort of artificial intervention that (so far) does not fit established physics' models.

            Oh, and, I just pulled this out from CNN...
            "Fail, to succeed."

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