Prayer Incantation

[WingedPaladin]

I do not speak Arabic and so I do not know how the incantation is pronounced. I am very interested in learning how the incantation in Arabic sounds. If someone could post an mp3 or wav file of it spoken slowly and in normal speed, that would be awesome.

This is the prayer in Arabic I found in Sandrine's post:

"Bi Hak Allah
Wa Al Nabiy Al Habiib Al Haadi
Wa Al Shakhsiyyat Al Sit
Wa Alsayyal Al Ishriin
An Yatumm Kull Ma Hua Maktoob
Mustajaab Bihak AllAh Ta 'aalah"

If there is another version of the prayer, please post that as well with the transcript and English translation. Thank you.

[Mario]

I'd like to point out that the case involving Sandrine communicating the information to Lina was unique in the sense that Lina nearly lost her husband that day and that the movies were still an idea on the drawing table: the only thing we had were the text and images. Most importantly, Lina spoke Arabic fluently. Had Lina been unable to process Arabic, Sandrine would not have shared all that information because, it would simply have been too confusing.

And, Sandrine, herself, had to study how to create the Symbol over many months. By the time she communicated the information to Lina, she had already been doing the Daheshist Symbol for years.

The Incantation is among the most important rituals a Daheshist will ever perform and a most sacred offering. Should we not take our time and learn it as we would learn "E=mc2"?

Einstein's formula is easy to remember, easy to pronounce.

But imagine your students saying: "we don't need to know about the rite of passage Albert Einstein underwent, nor the process that led him to the conclusion that mass and energy were equivalent, we just want the formula..." how would that make you feel?

One might argue that Einstein is not a prophet and E=mC2 is not a prayer.
Ah, but then, how can we even discuss Spiritual Fluids without that formula?

And it is one thing for a Physicist to come across the formula, do a double take, and go "wow..." and see a barrage of images rush madly right before their eyes, and another thing completely for those uninitiated in the language of Physics.

A language has depth and meaning. Words can't simply be repeated for their own sake. We need to have the proper "physical"+"chemical"+"spiritual" process taking place in order for us to reap the benefits.

Let's face it... The Creator can see and hear us. We can speak gibberish and GOD will always get our meaning and intent.

Right?

What does it matter if we say the Incantation without actually feeling it or appreciating its nuances?

But, it does matter.

The incantation is a code that requires more than just itself to make it through the noise... Remember, we're each a beacon... The Prayer is a message that carries our own fingerprint... and it must be wrapped with the right mixture of thought and feeling.

You have said yourself that the movies were effective. (Once again, thank you). But please don't shortchange yourself by jumping around and ahead.

The incantation will be coming in future movies. The incantation has layers of meaning. We can't simply say the words without knowing what their history and meaning are. And the incantation is intimately tied to the words we write in the Symbol.

We didn't get here overnight and we're certainly not going to speed up matters if doing so should prove detrimental to the learning process.

And to me, "learning" is not just about passing a test...

And the last thing anyone of us would want to see is the process of teaching the Daheshist Symbol becoming an exercise in plugging parts from here and there.

Again, what we are trying to do here is create a Daheshist Society where (to begin with) our "community" teaches (through care and patience) a Prayer written and spoken in Arabic to non-Arabic speaking individuals.

Our task is therefore made more complex: not only are we attempting to teach via linear methods a process that should lead to a holistic understanding, we're also attempting not to lose anything in the translation.

Among the things we cannot lose is the concept of "rite of passage."
If the prayer is easy to acquire and perform, where would the merit lie?

As a kid I had to write and burn my prayer in hiding. When the first rocket rammed the balcony ceiling and exploded 20 feet away from where I was standing, narrowly missing the wide opening of the living room, I wished I could burn a Symbol. But for the next 13 straight days of bombing and shelling that was impossible. We were all congregated on the second floor, facing the Holiday Inn. Then living in forced exile for the next 4 years made it nearly impossible to have a steady supply of yellow paper, add to that I lived inside the belly of the dragon — so to speak. In other words, I was living in the part of Lebanon ruled by Doctor Dahesh's sworn enemies. Add to that, the fact that my Father (then) didn't like it when I burned my prayer ... I've poured my heart enough already in other posts, so I'll just stop here as far as he is concerned.

I may not be significant in the history of Daheshism and most probably everything I say will "fall into oblivion."

But you should know the following: This knowledge I am sharing with you and the rest of the world — however modest it is— has made it through war, immigration, culture shock, adaptation and years of patience, depression and the occasional nervous breakdown. I even had to fight for my right to burn my Symbol in the Dorm Room that I shared with a blond, blue eyed, W.A.S.P. He walked in on me one day and said "What are doing, are you crazy?" I told him "Isn't this supposed to be the land where I am free to pray as I see fit? So let me pray my own way!"

Despite it all...

IF... I thought for one minute that simply giving you a condensed version of the Prayer and the Incantation was the way to go, I would have in a New York minute!

In fact, why do you think we have all these different versions of the delivery method featured on Daheshville? That was our "research and development" phase. And after trial and error (remember, Sandrine, Astrid, and David, all of whom learned the Symbol from me, are all non-Arabic speaking individuals and provided great feedback on what worked and what didn't) we came to the realization that there IS a reason why we go to college and sit through a WHOLE semester of something that we might be able to condense in a simple formula... such as "E=mC2"...

Mario

[WingedPaladin]

I thought that perhaps that Sandrine's version of the incantation was unique which is the reason I asked if there were other versions since I am more interested in the standardized version for "the masses". I think I should have been more clear in my request.

I wanted to be sure that before I make any attempt to say it in Arabic, that I could hear it spoken first so that I wouldn't butcher it in the "blind" attempt. I live in a part of the world where Arabic is not frequently spoken, so in reading Arabic, I would automatically make all the vowels short as is the case for Japanese, Spanish, and Hawaiian. I'll be patient and wait for the movie as is necessary.

I believe intent and sincerity is extremely important when it comes to prayer and realize that this is a very sacred prayer. I believe there is much yet I need to learn concerning it. Thank you for comparing the learning process of the symbol and prayer to that of learning physics. I wholly understand that process of why one cannot just sit in a the classroom learning formulas, but has to get to the lab, to the observatory, and see and experience how things work in the outside world before understanding the meaning behind those formulas.

I am sorry if I have offended you or anyone by my eagerness to learn and share my own background experiences and understanding here. I'm also very sorry for the heavy burdens you and other Daheshists here have suffered for the cause.

I realize Daheshism is still in its infancy and thus I need to be patient in its development and in the development of the dissemination of information.

[Mario]

I thought that perhaps that Sandrine's version of the incantation was unique which is the reason I asked if there were other versions since I am more interested in the standardized version for "the masses". I think I should have been more clear in my request.

It might be unique. In fact, I am sure others may substitute a couple of verbs at the end. But the meaning is the same. There is also to the issue of the Diacritics. For example, "Bi Hak Allah" is (in fact, and if we want to get technical about it) "Bi Hakkillah." However, for an individual familiar with correct Arabic Grammar, they would know that the fact the word "Hak" (a word that you will have to hear in order to correctly pronounce, as was the case with "Sayyaal" for example) begins with "Bi" (pronounced "Be"...) "paints it" with what we call the "Kasra" Diacritic. If I were to apply the "Kasra" onto an English word (for example...) it would be "Al Righty" versus "Al Righta" or "Al Rightoo" ... Then we're going to probably have a debate over the true meaning of the phrase "Bi Hakkillah" ( or without the Diacritic: Bi Hak Allah) "Hak" in arabic means "Right".

Therefore the phrase means "By God's Right."

And, it may in fact be "In God's Right." The word "Bi" can be used as "In" or "With" or "By". I would have to research it as I have researched (practically speaking) every key word I translated.

That aside, I used to translate it as "In God's Name". But, that wouldn't be correct because "In the Name of God" in Arabic is the familiar phrase: "Bismillah"

But all that hopefully to come. So far, and despite the efforts of our principal antagonists, we are still here, still going, still kicking. Rest assured that your passion to learn the Prayer is greatly appreciated and that we're doing everything in order to design and implement the movies, in a manner that is both timely as well as respectful of the fact that, after all, we're dealing with a prayer. For example, if we had deep pockets, we would house these on bottomless servers.

But bandwidth costs money.

Perhaps we should stop this public dissemination and provide the movies on demand, on CD-ROMS or DVDs which we would burn one at a time and send to anyone who sends a self-stamped envelope. But then again, perhaps people want to maintain their privacy. Another idea we had is to restrict access to the movies on YouTube to only 25 "Students" per "Semester" (I believe there is a way to do so)... Personally, however, I would still prefer not be associated with "YouTube." Nothing against it, it's a wonderful service. Except that the Daheshist Prayer, really, deserves a proper venue.

And as of yet, we don't have the funds that, for example, an organization such as "Dahesh Museum" has.

Ironically, they deny Doctor Dahesh is a prophet and all these Daheshists showers it with their hard earned money. Did I mention that the Dahesh Museum is run by the same people who publish Dahesh Voice? Now, where is the Dahesh Voice website?

I wanted to be sure that before I make any attempt to say it in Arabic, that I could hear it spoken first so that I wouldn't butcher it in the "blind" attempt. I live in a part of the world where Arabic is not frequently spoken, so in reading Arabic, I would automatically make all the vowels short as is the case for Japanese, Spanish, and Hawaiian. I'll be patient and wait for the movie as is necessary.

Excellent and thank you! And I assure you, just pronouncing the letter "ain" is a ... mouthful. I would rather you spend all that time practicing how to pronounce it an the others (such as the "wow"). Please also note that the teaching method I am using combines a technique I first learned while learning who to fly airplanes. A little bit of theory, then a little bit of practice, and so on and so forth. The same goes with SCUBA diving and music. Some theory and scales, then we apply... then learn more theory and put into actions. The result is that (I hope) the process is demystified. Patience, of course, is the key.

I believe intent and sincerity is extremely important when it comes to prayer and realize that this is a very sacred prayer. I believe there is much yet I need to learn concerning it. Thank you for comparing the learning process of the symbol and prayer to that of learning physics. I wholly understand that process of why one cannot just sit in a the classroom learning formulas, but has to get to the lab, to the observatory, and see and experience how things work in the outside world before understanding the meaning behind those formulas.

I am confident the day will come when you'll tell others "The Daheshist Prayer? That's easy. Here, let me show you..."

I am sorry if I have offended you or anyone by my eagerness to learn and share my own background experiences and understanding here. I'm also very sorry for the heavy burdens you and other Daheshists here have suffered for the cause.

I realize Daheshism is still in its infancy and thus I need to be patient in its development and in the development of the dissemination of information.

I assure you that I was not offended.

Daheshism may be "young" but it is over 80 years old and, thanks to some people who shall not be named, it almost went into total oblivion. And thanks to others who I am really resisting the temptation to name, it became a breeding ground for competition.

Perhaps that's the proof that Doctor Dahesh was in fact a true prophet. After all, if Daheshism was a concocted message, designed to manipulate "The Masses" there wouldn't be any strife among the "Disciples."

Inflated egos, jealousy, the desire to enter the history books (and to rewrite history)... all these should be viewed as a natural by product when mere humans come in contact with a phenomenon such as Doctor Dahesh.

And it is easy to stay on the sidelines and watch, and go "tsk, tsk, tsk, y'all are fighting too much. We'll come back when you're done."

Anyone who thinks that needs to remember that some are fighting for people's right to get knowledge freely, without having to beg for it... knowledge that is bundled with compassion and empathy.

Yes, sometimes, there is also harsh honesty. But we're not here to provide "customer service" ... or "lip service" for that matter.
We're trying to build a community made up of those who will know where to find us.

As for me: True, the Doctor said "love one another... don't say anything negative..." I'll grant you that. But Brother Ali also gave me a directive and that directive was clear as far as what he expected of me with regard to the Daheshist Mission: "You have to become a sharp sword and defend her."

And my sword will always be the pen.

And I'll dip it in burning acid if I have to.

I will declare whatever truth and fact I know about anyone, and I mean ANYONE who I catch crossing the line and using the Doctor's own words to subjugate others who might be too afraid to complain or criticize for fear of being banned... guess what, "you shall not pass!"

As for you, Winged Paladin, you are the last person who needs to apologize.

You show a high degree of sensitivity. You actually read what is written and place it in the bigger context. You don't mistake humility for weakness or lack of knowledge.

You don't act in a condescending manner towards someone or assume they are dumb simply because they were not born in the USA.

You don't engage in double talk... you know... when someone says to you: "I know you're smart... but..."

On the contrary, thank you for being here and for participating.

Mario

[WingedPaladin]

Language is a funny thing as the nuances in a phrase in one language does not sound right or even carry over the same meaning in another when transliterated.

YouTube is indeed a wide open arena with people of all sorts of biases. I think you were wise in disabling comments for the videos. It seems whatever is sacred at YouTube becomes free game to the sacrilegious, and I believe the symbol and prayer could be widely misunderstood without an intro and explanation - which in this case could be very extensive. I've heard of other free video servers but I don't remember them off hand since I don't do a lot in video.

I don't believe there to be any revealed religion has not suffered from human tampering and human reason overshadowing truth. We are in constant need of correction. Unfortunately, the revealing founders have the habit of growing old or tired and moving on. Really, I can't blame them considering the persecutions they endure here. There are many times I grow weary and want to go home too. How fortunate we are that God sends more messengers... If only we would be discerning enough to listen and heed the truth when we hear it.

I come here with a strong Latter-Day Saint bias. This faith is my life. It is a large part of who I am and the basis for what I love - it is the means of how I found God in this life. Daheshism has done me a great service in that it has strengthened and solidified my belief in the more out-of-this-world doctrines that Joseph Smith, Jr. and Brigham Young were trying to teach the members. It seems to describe them in more plainness and clarity than I have ever heard before. I'm beginning to understand more and more that despite the different faces and views the religions of this world have, we all share the same undercurrent and dip from the same well which is God.

I agree with Moses when he says, "would God that all the LORD’s people were prophets, and that the LORD would put his spirit upon them!" Numbers 11:29

I know the power of the Lord's Spirit to calm the storms in the hearts of men, inspire oneness, and bring peace. How great and wondrous that peace is, yet how fleeting from human weakness! (This is my own bereaving because it is my own human weakness that bars me from always enjoying the peace of God.)

Prayer and song work wonders in restoring peace among the faithful, and can soften the hearts of the otherwise belligerent. I attempted the prayer again Monday, and after doing so, I felt a wonderful calmness and peace that attended me.

There is indeed a balance and thin line between the necessity of being merciful and kind, and being just. On one hand, one does not want to err in judging wrongfully and mercilessly, since such would counter and return. It is better to err on the side of being merciful and forgiving and let God do justice, for His justice is perfect. At the same time, one must be watchful and careful of the wolves that would try to consume the flock. I'm aware you have had more than enough of your share of this danger from both within and without so I understand your position as a defender of the faith.

I appreciate very much your kind words and I hope to always live up to and be worthy of them.